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Mar 8, 2013 12:48 PM CST
Name: tarev
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Very good looking plants you have Smiling I do not have semps I think in my collection, or if I do maybe I just do not know if it is a semp. I grow various succulents in containers too, looking at your lovely ones, I think the container is rather deep, it looks very nice, but I always plant my smaller, younger succulents in a shallower container, then I move them to a deeper one like that when it is much older. I find that even if I use good draining soil, if it takes longer to dry out, it also damages the roots, succulents just hate prolonged wet conditions.
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Mar 8, 2013 12:55 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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I agree with what tarev said.
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Mar 8, 2013 2:13 PM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Thank you for the information!! So the little pots they are in currently are probably to deep? I would say they are only around 4 inches deep at the most. Is that still to deep? I was told to barely water them at all and that even just a misting would be plenty if watering at all during this time until I am able to transplant them outdoors. I am really curious as to why no one has said that this has happened to them, that theirs started growing upwards right after they were cut from the hen. But I sure am learning a lot so thank you all!! Smiling
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Mar 8, 2013 4:09 PM CST
Name: tarev
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Usually when I water them, I just do one heavy watering, then leave them alone till I can see the soil is visibly dry. So at times it is like watering them once a month or longer. Especially when it is winter, takes far longer for the soil to dry out. The root mass of succulents are so shallow and very fine. That is why it is easy to rot, coupled with cooler temps. Cool and wet is a very bad equation for succulents. Some may have not commented about the watering because they are growing it under grow lights not just by the window. Situations vary from each of our locations.

It will be different too if the succulent you have is a cool winter grower one. I have succulents that thrive happily during winter even if rained upon. But our rains are very spaced apart..this year almost way too dry.

It will be different during the warm months, and grown outdoors, soil gets dry easily and a little more watering is acceptable.
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Mar 8, 2013 4:35 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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Jookieblue said: I am really curious as to why no one has said that this has happened to them, that theirs started growing upwards right after they were cut from the hen. But I sure am learning a lot so thank you all!! Smiling


Jookie, There are a few related reasons why semps start to etiolate (lack of lite during season changes, during location change, part of plant has uneven exposure to light, etc) and I wonder whether there was an upset of conditions right before/during the mother plant was dying/died. But anyway, semps get their new leaves from the center of the head and with the improved conditions you are giving your plants, the heads should be having their leaves grow closer and tighter together, eventually eliminating the long look of etiolation. I have had this happen and after tweaking the head had grown tighter and more evenly and I just buried the elongated stem deeper into my pot. But I dont think your stem will be getting that long.
And if you made it this far into my post, I will say that your semp is not a Pac Green Rose, the leaves are not as rounded as the Green Rose.
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Mar 8, 2013 5:12 PM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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webesemps said:

Jookie, There are a few related reasons why semps start to etiolate (lack of lite during season changes, during location change, part of plant has uneven exposure to light, etc) and I wonder whether there was an upset of conditions right before/during the mother plant was dying/died. But anyway, semps get their new leaves from the center of the head and with the improved conditions you are giving your plants, the heads should be having their leaves grow closer and tighter together, eventually eliminating the long look of etiolation. I have had this happen and after tweaking the head had grown tighter and more evenly and I just buried the elongated stem deeper into my pot. But I dont think your stem will be getting that long.
And if you made it this far into my post, I will say that your semp is not a Pac Green Rose, the leaves are not as rounded as the Green Rose.



Thank you. I didnt know what kind it was to be added to my plant list on here. I dont know if there is an option for the NOID plant Smiling I will have to change that. So maybe when i get ready to plant them and take them outside I should situate them so they are buried a little deeper? Thank you for all the information. I enjoy learning about these cute little semps more and more. Big Grin
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Mar 8, 2013 8:07 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Jennifer here is a home for your NOID photos.

I worked out in my semp beds all day today. Even outdoors I had a few that were showing signs of etoilating. We have had so much cloud cover and some of the plants weren't happy about the lack of sun. It won't be long before they correct their growing problem.
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Mar 8, 2013 11:09 PM CST

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Too much water and not enough light are the main reasons for etiolation of semps kept indoors. During the short day/low light season, under natural conditions semps are in the dark, usually covered by snow and kept cold. But in the house, they are warm and trying to grow, especially with abundant water, but do not have enough light to grow properly. If indoors over the winter, do not water and give the brightest natural light you can. If the outer leaves start to go crispy, then mist the plants. These are wild creatures that don't do well in indoor captivity.

However, one trick I've used to protect and keep fragile semps overwinter indoors that I did not trust outside was to seal the plant and whole pot in a plastic bag. That maintains a higher humidity level so the plant does not dry out but does not keep a high moisture level in the soil so it does not stimulate growth and etiolation. Still needs bright light, (no sun) though.
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Mar 8, 2013 11:35 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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More great advice. Thanks twit. Thumbs up
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Mar 8, 2013 11:38 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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I agree With Twit that its the combination of low light and nutrients (water)...Tarev, semps are probably easier about being in a deeper pot than other succulents.
Jookie they look happier already!! Hurray! They probably love that cold window! nodding
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Mar 9, 2013 11:39 AM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Thank you all. I will keep them in a cooler location and see how they do and will only mist them when needed and nothing more. I actually just bought some more from lowes this morning which were on the clearance save me rack. I felt so bad that i grabbed them up but as you have mentioned before from my pictures the succulents I have in the middle of my succulent garden should not be with the hen and chicks. Where would I go for help with these new ones? Should I make a new post?
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Mar 9, 2013 11:49 AM CST
Name: Stephanie
Nashville, TN (Zone 7a)
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Mar 9, 2013 12:20 PM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Ok, here they are....My new babies Hurray!


Plant 1
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Plant 2


Plant 3


Plant 4
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This one someone told me that I should take these two out of the middle and put them together since they need different care than my Hen and Chicks which are also in this one?
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Any advice on if i can plant these all together? How much space do they need? Any help is much appreciated Thumbs up
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Mar 9, 2013 1:33 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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Jookie, not an expert at these but other people will chime in with their advice.
I know for sure that your haworthia and plant 3 (Andromishcus cristatus) can be in a container together because of all you have, they need the least sun.
The one in with the haworthia now,(I think it's a Crassula (Camp Fire) needs more sun but not at much as semps. It can probably be with plant 4 but #4 will grow on tall stem with lone head.

Plant 2 looks like an etiolated echeveria painted) and Plant 1 can probably be in container by itself because is so lush and bushy.
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Mar 9, 2013 1:52 PM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Webesemps thank you for that advise. I was hoping I could put them all together in my flower box that my hubby made but it seems that I should separate some of these. I will have to find some more pots so they will be happy. Do you happen to know the name of plant 1? It sorta looks like the hoya plant I have hanging up. Smiling
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Mar 9, 2013 2:11 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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At first I thought it was a crassula family but a Hoya is a possibility though I thought the leaves were usually darker green. Are the leaf thickness similar to the hoya you have? And I guess if you have a hoya bloom that would cinch it. Let's see what other people think.
Also, the plants you do plan to put outside should be slowly acclimated first before can stay outside. Don't know where the plants were located when you found them but be aware that if they were in store-display shade, you will need to introduce them to the light outside slowly to prevent burn. But if they were already in brite light then can move them there to start.
If put hawa and andro outside, put in shade or filtered light, not sunny. These can be raised indoors actually.
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Mar 9, 2013 2:38 PM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Right now I will keep the plants inside as I am in Michigan and temps are still a little below freezing. I've moved my.semps to my windowsill so they can stay on the cooler side and get more sunlight. I'm curious as to what others think as well. So your thinking I should not plant them together at all?
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Mar 9, 2013 3:05 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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I think without doing much of anything, you can leave them as is but like I said the hawa and andro can be together with the campfire but the campfire, to get the red coloring needs to be out and in more lite eventually. The #4 Aeonium will be tall as the head gets bigger and if you lop off the head at a good stem height, you can get multi-heads and replant the head after callousing.
In the future you can consider getting smaller or squatier succulents to go with the tall/large specimens you have now. Remember to think of similar plant requirements as you decide what can go together. I always strive to put plants with same requirements in one pot and as you get more experience (and more plants) you will get more of that knowledge of what each plant needs.
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Mar 9, 2013 3:25 PM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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It's very hard to keep track of what plant needs what lol. I Am definitely trying though
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Mar 9, 2013 4:08 PM CST
Name: Chris
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Wish I could help, but unfortunately I haven't grown most of those so can't offer any advise. Bev definitely sounds like she knows what shes talking about though! Thumbs up

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