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Name: Joanne
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Joannabanana
Mar 9, 2013 7:37 PM CST
What's your thought on older seeds that are pelletted? Do you think they loose their vitality sooner? Do you think the clay coating will kill the seed over time? I sowed a bunch of Tidal Waves that are well over a year old.
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Onewish1
Mar 9, 2013 7:57 PM CST

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I sowed some a few years old.. they were ok
Name: Joanne
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Joannabanana
Mar 9, 2013 8:55 PM CST
Good to hear. I hope they germinate
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abhege
Mar 9, 2013 9:30 PM CST
I have never had any luck with old pelleted seeds, including petunias. Sorry. Shrug!
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Joannabanana
Mar 9, 2013 10:21 PM CST
Well, I guess it will be an experiment. I will report back in a few days.
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abhege
Mar 9, 2013 10:26 PM CST
I wish you luck. If it works, I may try again. WAIT! I just remembered, some of my lisianthus this year were from last year and all of them germinated! But never the petunias...
Name: Karen
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kqcrna
Mar 11, 2013 7:16 AM CST

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Petunias- I've always used the wintersowing method- i.e. outside in milk jugs- but I don't sow them until spring or close to spring. I generally have good germination, including with seeds that are a few years old. But I do think the pelleted ones don't do as well when they're more than a year old two old. They might still sprout, but percentage seems to decrease or germination delayed. That's just personal opinion/ experience.I've wondered if the clay coating hardens or otherwise becomes difficult.

OTOH, I've been using the same batch of pelleted alyssum for about 3 or 4 years, and saw no increased resistance to germination as of last year. Maybe it depends on the genus or cultivar, or the material and amount of clay mix used to form the pellet???

The problem is, with WSowing, the weather can have a big effect, and it changes so much from year to year...Last year was extremely hot and dry, the year before unusually cold and wet. That makes it harder to draw conclusions.

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woofie
Mar 11, 2013 6:32 PM CST
I think perhaps that alyssum seeds are generally viable longer than petunia seeds regardless. (Actually, I've never seen pelleted alyssum seeds!)

I grew the last of my pelleted petunia seeds last year, when they were about 3 years old, and had roughly 30% germination.
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Name: Karen
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kqcrna
Mar 12, 2013 4:30 AM CST

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Here you go, woofie. Multi-seed pellets. Each pellet grows a little hunk of seeds. Highly recommended

http://www.harrisseeds.com/storefront/s-322-alyssum.aspx

http://www.harrisseeds.com/storefront/p-13010-alyssum-clear-...

Highly recommended.

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woofie
Mar 12, 2013 9:04 AM CST
Karen, you mentioned that you had bought a large quantity of the Clear Crystals alyssum. Were those pelleted? Just wondering how long you'd had them and how they seemed for viability. I got some of the purple ones last year and I really like their clumping habit, although they don't have the scent like the Snow Crystals do. Do the white Clear Crystals have the same strong scent as other alyssum?

And I'm a cheapskate. I separate those little clumps into individual plants and pot them separately. With the Snow Crystals, at least, one little plant once took over an entire 14" pot!
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kqcrna
Mar 12, 2013 10:02 AM CST

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Yes, woofie, they were the multi-seed pellets from Harris, linked above. I love the multi seed pellets, and the extra-large flowers of clear crystal.
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I'm not qualified to comment on the fragrance. My smeller is awful.

I checked my seed stash. My alyssum clear crystal are dated 2009. As of 2012, germination still excellent. So 2012 would have been my 4th year using my original 250 pellets
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I haven't sown them yet this year, but I still have quite a few. I also ordered some purple, and I think it was you who recommended those. Smiling

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woofie
Mar 12, 2013 12:25 PM CST
The Snow Crystals also have those same large flowers; possibly the same critter under a different name? They are extremely fragrant, which the purple shades of Clear Crystal most definitely are not, although someone else (Joanne maybe?) mentioned that the purple ones aren't as fragrant. But I can't detect any scent at all on the purple ones I grew, so that's why I was wondering about the white. Anyone else have experience with the Clear Crystals alyssum? The price on those pelleted ones looks pretty good to me.
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Joannabanana
Mar 14, 2013 5:29 PM CST
Wahoo! The Tidalwave petunias have germinated. I have Cherry, Silver, Purple and Hot Pink. Looks like 100% for most colours. I had two packages of Hot Pink (package of 20 from Stokes germinated and it appears one entire package of 10 from Veseys did not germinate. It may germinate tonight since the rest popped up during the day today.
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jvdubb
Mar 14, 2013 5:31 PM CST
Yay Joanne Hurray!
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abhege
Mar 14, 2013 6:17 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Onewish1
Mar 14, 2013 8:30 PM CST

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good I am so glad!!!
Name: Karen
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kqcrna
Mar 15, 2013 3:31 AM CST

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Cool. Tidal waves are awesome.

Karen
Name: Joanne
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Joannabanana
Mar 15, 2013 7:22 AM CST
Looks like most will germinate. Some more did last night
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woofie
Mar 15, 2013 10:32 AM CST
That's great! Hate it when seeds don't germinate...... Hilarious!
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mom2goldens
Mar 20, 2013 4:08 PM CST

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I started some pelleted lisianthus that were probably 2 years old, and the germination was fine. Don't think I've had any left-over pelleted petunias to try.

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