Oh, I compaired my NOID with my Sophy's Rose (I have three) for David Austin's. I thought at first it was a Sophy's Rose, too. And I would have been happy with that as I'm going to use the three I've got in a new bed--one more would have been icing on the cake. But they don't bloom at the same time, the NOID's blooms are much larger, and in person the NOID doesn't have the same color tint from start to finish as the Sophy's Roses do. If you could see them in person, the NOID's blooms seem to stay a more organgy color in the center. The bluing us more slight than appears in my photo and stays only at the edges of the outter pettals, if it appears at all. This NOID gets a tremendous amount of hot, humid sun. The fragrance is different as well. And it looks like this almost all of the time. This is one of the photos I sent. It is the size of the blooms that is the stumbling block. And ALL the blooms are that size! My Sophy's don't even come close to that size. That is a Catahoula hound in the bottom left. She's a pretty good sized dog. My Sophy's Rose blooms would be more the size of the light colored splotch on the lower part of her flank. Also Sophy's leaves are darker for me and they start to drop off the lower part of the canes in the heat. The NOID bush is about a foot taller that the Sophy's. Hmmmm!
Chamblee's did take a good long time with the photos and measurement were taken.