Marilyn, that would be both. I created to banner to go with the article by Emma Elliott. Dave made it happen. He is so good to us, and makes it easy to coordinate things.
I met Emma 2 or 3 years ago. She is the one that got me interested in using plants in my sempervivum beds that would grow under the same conditions. I am forever grateful to her.
Thank you Chelle and Greg.
Chelle, the red plant with white blooms is Delosperma davyi.