Plant ID forum: ID Please. Part Five.

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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Apr 2, 2013 9:30 PM CST
Another wild Salvia it seems but the cymes or flower growth pattern is out of sync.
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Regards,
Arif.
Name: Carter Mayer
Houston, TX (Zone 9b)
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Carter
Apr 3, 2013 8:11 PM CST
The leaf kinda resembles Acanthus sp. to me, but not necessarily the individual flower or how the leaflets follow up the flower stem.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Apr 4, 2013 5:38 AM CST
I thought the leaves were like Acanthus too Carter. The flowers however remind me of white dead-nettle, Lamium album.

I spent some time last night looking at Labiatae in the Flora of Pakistan, I found some which were close but nothing to match.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=2...
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 4, 2013 8:01 AM CST
Janet we half the day are without power and without power nothing much can be done from my end. Modern day life with out power, let me try if the power remains stable long enough.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 4, 2013 8:10 AM CST
Janet mint family Confused nopes, no minty or otherwise that I can remember. It was not aromatic Shrug! maybe I should have gone down on my knees and given it a good sniff, is that advisable?
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Apr 4, 2013 8:26 AM CST
Is it always that you have no power for half a day Arif? I couldn't cope, well if I had to I would but I soon get bored and would be pulling my hair out. Hilarious!

There's several groups in Labiatae, including Salvia in group A

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=2...



Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 4, 2013 8:34 AM CST
http://gardendesigncompany.wordpress.com/tag/salvia-argentea...
Was looking at one, came back to check the photograph and saw your note. Going back into the stone age.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 4, 2013 8:51 AM CST
http://www.flickr.com/photos/m-ursus/4696663963/in/pool-lami...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markofnature/4560799667/in/pool...
Lamium album, Lamiaceae (Labiatae)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Lamium+album,+Lamiaceae+%28...
Janet could you decipher it please. I tip my hat to you.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Apr 4, 2013 9:29 AM CST
Lamium album doesn't have leaves like your plant Arif. Flowers are very similar though as mentioned above.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Lamium+album,+Lamiaceae+%28...
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 4, 2013 10:14 AM CST
At least its a start now we need to find the leaves. If the power stays on long enough.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 4, 2013 11:24 AM CST
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-sf/4406322348/in/pool-lamia...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-sf/4475472703/in/pool-28623...
http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/2008/03/eremostachys_...
There are many leaf variations and this matches I think.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Apr 4, 2013 12:05 PM CST
I looked at Eremostachys last night Arif, unfortunately there's a lack of images. The one you linked to is not quite right, it has lots of cottony stuff.

The list of species ..

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=1...

The leaves do suggest this genus. I singled out Eremostachys vicaryi as a possibility, there is an illustration on the Flora of Pakistan, the only other image which may be this plant is a herbarium specimen on google images but the link doesn't show it. On the search page it's top middle ..

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Eremostachys+vicaryi&um=1&i...

http://www.ethnoleaflets.com/leaflets/pollen.htm

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=2...

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=96486&flor...

On the illustration I can't see the smaller leaves under the flowers, the description does mention the flower colour as being white or with a purple marking and "densely white-bearded".

Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 4, 2013 12:28 PM CST
I tip my hat to you. Thank you Janet. I was going to look up Eremostachys in the flora of Pakistan. I have an advantage that I can understand the sighting reports with my geographical position. Just required your go ahead with the E word.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 5, 2013 5:48 AM CST
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/104377.html
Now what to make of the following comment?
Very variable in the degree of leaf dissection, the quantity or persistence of bract and calyx indumentum, the shape and length of the bracts, and the length of the calyx teeth.
Janet study the following it is the only one listed from this area. The problem is that I am not being able to find any images?
http://www.tropicos.org/Name/50311913?projectid=32
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Apr 5, 2013 6:02 AM CST
If that is the only one listed for your area then it's most likely the one Arif. There is a photo of flowers on the link I gave above, scroll down, the flowers have some purple colouring but they can be white as well. You can see the shape of the flower on the left, and a little of the leaves. I checked all the other species and Eremostachys vicaryi is the only one which it seemed to be. The line drawing on Flora of Pakistan seems to fit quite well too, and the flower description "densely white-bearded" seems to fit also as your flowers have lots of hairs.

http://www.ethnoleaflets.com/leaflets/pollen.htm
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Apr 5, 2013 6:08 AM CST
"Cauline leaves absent or 1-2 pairs, much smaller than basal leaves" explains why there is no obvious smaller leaves below the flowers, they can be absent!

http://dev.biologists.org/content/131/2/251/F1.expansion.htm...
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 5, 2013 9:21 AM CST
Only did basic Botany then went into engineering. While I can understand you and follow line drawings, well the rest sometimes sounds like gibberish to me Shrug! . So when it comes to verbal pictorial drawings, you are welcome to center stage.
Thanks Janet.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
Charter ATP Member Organic Gardener Garden Photography Bee Lover Dragonflies Cat Lover
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JRsbugs
Apr 5, 2013 9:48 AM CST
It's all gibberish unless you make a specific and determined attempt to make it un-gibberish Arif. Hilarious!
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Apr 5, 2013 10:50 AM CST
Janet for doing this kind of work you need continuous electricity and net connectivity so that the linkages coming into mind do not get lost. Here, pssst power gone then it will be back on after several hours what mental connectivity is left with the subject in hand? Except maybe frustration.
Thank you Janet, some sensitive pinkies around I tip my hat to you.
Regards,
Arif.

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