Roses forum: Interesting email from Roses, Inc Tulsa

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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
May 1, 2010 7:15 PM CST
I got this email. It was all about buggies & stuff. Pretty neat read for a beginner like me!

Powdery Mildew
In the cool damp nights of early spring here in Oklahoma the conditions are right for the growth of powdery mildew. It typically only shows up on some varieties of roses and those same ones will be the ones who show it every time the weather is right. Warm weather will stop it but in the meantime you should spray with Jojoba Oil which is the active ingredient in Erase. It may take a few applications 3 days apart to get rid of it if the weather doesn't warm.

Cucumber Beetle
These critters come early to the garden and stay late. Unlike the aphids and mites they are chewing insects and can make a rose look awful in a very short time. Look for them under the leaves and especially down in the bloom. Malathion are carbayl (sevin) will control them quickly and if used as a spray late in the evening they will do little to hurt beneficials.

Thrip
These little suckers like the Aphid take nutrients from the roses. Unlike the Aphid they have a rasping mouth part that splits the cuticle and allows them to dine on the roses nutrients. Flowers not opening is one of the tell tale signs of Thrip infestation. If you suspect Thrip on your roses just take a piece of white paper and shake the suspect bloom over it. If the Thrip is present they will fall onto the paper and you can see them scurry away. Acephate (while it is still available) is a very effective pesticide for Thrip because it goes systemic and the Thrip die when they ingest it. Malathion is also effective against Thrip but it is difficult to spray it down into the blooms to the are the Thrip are feeding.

Spider Mite
Another little sucker that causes real devastation to the affected bush and left unchecked will kill most roses over time. The signs to look for are a dirty appearance on the under side of the leaves. If your eyes are good you may actually be able to see them moving around and in bad infestations the webs that they build. Under a magnifying glass you can see the mites and their eggs. Malathion will kill adult mites but because it doesn't kill the eggs you will have to spray at 3 day intervals for 9 days. If you miss a day by even one day the spray cycle must be started over again. Mites generally wait until warm weather to become a problem but I have already been finding some in full sun locations. Once it gets hot outside the mites can progress from egg to a laying adult in just 3 days. Hence the spray cycle. Because of the difficulty encountered in controlling mites I would highly recommend a miticide/ovicide that we carry here at Roses inc. called TETRA San. Spray it once and it kills eggs and prevents the adults from reproducing. A couple of days after you use it the nymphs will be dead and the eggs will be black indicating they are no longer viable. The adults may still be present but they are not feeding or reproducing and will die soon.

Black Spot
Leaf spots are caused by a fungus and several fungus that attack our roses are lumped into the category of Black Spot. Black Spot needs 80% humidity and temperatures between 65 and 80 to grow the best. That kind of sounds like Oklahoma doesn't it. The trick to not losing leaves to black spot is two start a preventative spray program a week after pruning and continuing it until the first killing frost. Spray at least once a month. Many people belive that they must just live with Black Spot on their rose bushes but that is not correct. If you use the right product and follow the spraying instructions you can have few if any black spotted leaves. The trick is to be consistent in the use of your fungal spray and use a fungal spray that works. For the spray to be effective it must have two modes of action to deal with the fungus. Roses inc. Black Spot remedy is the only package I am aware of that meets this criteria. It is easy, safe and quick to use. Call or stop by for more information on the prevention of Black Spot
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
May 2, 2010 2:17 AM CST

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That's contrary to everything I know about powdery mildew here in California. Cool damp nights should deter it, because powdery mildew will not grow on a wet surface. I have some old ramblers that are susceptible to it, but the only ones that get it are the ones that are too tall for me to water from overhead. I also disagree with the statement that "warm weather will stop it." It thrives here even when we go into triple digits.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Charter ATP Member Irises Salvias Xeriscape Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Colorado Enjoys or suffers cold winters Cat Lover
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Skiekitty
May 2, 2010 10:10 AM CST
Zuzu - yea, but, you have to realize that Tulsa has no humidity in the summer. It gets as dry as an old bone in the summer. So that should kill any mildew.

You live in Paradise. The Great Plains is far from. Just think of it this way: 80 years ago: Tulsa was part of the Great Dust Bowl and most of the people there moved to Caly-Forney.
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
May 2, 2010 4:03 PM CST

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Last year the humidity here dipped down to 11% a couple of times, Toni, so that's not the reason. Besides, powdery mildew is not like other forms of mildew. It can't grow on wet surfaces. It thrives on dry weather.

Your Dust Bowl reference reminded me of a funny Will Rogers remark, however. He said that the Dust Bowl forced the Okies to leave Oklahoma and move to California, thereby raising the IQ of both states.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Charter ATP Member Irises Salvias Xeriscape Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Colorado Enjoys or suffers cold winters Cat Lover
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Skiekitty
May 2, 2010 10:16 PM CST
LOL!!!! Oh, that's horrible!

I couldn't help you one way or another with powdery mildew.. never seen it and probably won't either. Not something that we have here. Dunno why. Guess I'm lucky that way.. don't have mildew, don't have Japanese beetles, don't have midges..

*shrug* :)

Oh, and according to my weather page (WUnderground.com), I have -999% humidity right now, so it's pretty gosh-darned dry. gah, all the smilies are broken!!!
Roses are one of my passions! Just opened, my Etsy shop (to fund my rose hobby)! http://www.etsy.com/shop/TweetsnTreats
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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zuzu
May 2, 2010 10:30 PM CST

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I didn't even know that kind of humidity reading was possible. That would be automatic forest fire weather here.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Charter ATP Member Irises Salvias Xeriscape Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Procrastinator The WITWIT Badge Region: Colorado Enjoys or suffers cold winters Cat Lover
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Skiekitty
May 3, 2010 9:40 AM CST
Oh, it was broken.. I had no temperature at all and everything was out of wack. We were in high fire danger earlier and a house in my city burnt to the ground due to the high winds & a torch on the roof. Sad :( Sad But, just last week (Friday?) I was lamenting on how there was no leaves or green on the cottonwoods across the way from me on the golfcourse. Today, they're bright green w/promise of spring just around the corner! Yay!
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
May 24, 2010 12:10 PM CST
Here summer is hot and humid: high 90's in the day around 80 at night. Every morning starts out near 100% humidity and drops slightly as the temperature rises. For whatever reason I don't have powdery mildew at all, nor do I have Japanese Beetles or even aphids (on the roses - they prefer Hibiscus it seems). I do however have plenty of black spot! I do no spraying or other pest/disease prevention, and since I have concentrated on the old garden type of rose, they all seem to survive and bloom well enough to make me happy.
Porkpal

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