Growing Pains: Bacterial crown gall

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Growing Pains

By valleylynn
January 1, 2010

A plant clinic for Sempervivum, Jovibarba and J. heuffelii. This is a companion article for the Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum.

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Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
Oct 9, 2010 2:20 PM CST
This is a problem I've run into a couple of times when purchasing plants from nurseries - they aren't all as careful as I am not to pass a problem along to a customer. As far as I've been able to find out, there is no cure, and even taking cuttings won't help as it's in all the tissues even before the symptoms show up.

Nasty!

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Oct 9, 2010 5:24 PM CST
Oh my gosh, Jacki was that a semp? Crying

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twitcher
Oct 9, 2010 9:29 PM CST
I was going to ask if it was a sedum? Crying
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Oct 9, 2010 11:39 PM CST
I think your right twit, I think I see some stems. Blinking

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twitcher
Oct 10, 2010 1:44 AM CST
She did say "taking cuttings" which would normally imply sedum over sempervivum for most people but I'm sure she'll clarify soon.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Oct 10, 2010 7:52 AM CST
You right, I missed the part where she said cuttings. I hope I never see that in my beds. Blinking
Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
Oct 10, 2010 6:41 PM CST
Yes, sorry it was a Sedum - this was called Sedum x 'Moonglow' so I'm not sure of the parentage. It almost looks like spathufolium, but bigger and green.
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Database Moderator
Seller of Garden Stuff I sent a postcard to Randy! Sempervivums Sedums Region: Wisconsin Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle
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goldfinch4
Oct 11, 2010 5:25 AM CST
I've never seen anything like that. Sure looks wicked.
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Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
Oct 11, 2010 5:11 PM CST
I don't know a whole lot about it, and I'm not sure how contagious it is or even if it will spread, but I'm not taking chances with my whole collection. Too bad, it's culled!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Oct 11, 2010 7:23 PM CST
Which sedum was it Jacki.
I found this short explanation of bacterial crown gall. Sounds like you are doing all the right things and should not have a problem in your other plants. I now see how important it is to isolate new plants for awhile. Thank for for that advice twit.
http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/factsht/crowngal.htm
Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
May 27, 2011 1:12 PM CST
This is too funny! I'm poking around looking at things, and saw this:

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I thought, man that looks like a Dicentra, but teeny. So I look closer:


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What I thought was crown gall isn't - it's some kind of ephemeral root, like I don't know, Corydalis maybe??? I'm going to watch this, and see what it is. That would be cool to get some kind of free rare alpine plant in the midst of a screwed up order!

Don't I feel like a donkey! Anyway, just goes to show, you never stop learning.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
May 27, 2011 1:26 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! What a wonderful surprise. I can't wait to see the blooms. It sure does look like a dicentra. Lovey dubby
Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
May 27, 2011 5:43 PM CST
I'll have to wait and see if it blooms. It sure looks healthy.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
May 27, 2011 7:25 PM CST
May be next year before it blooms, although going back and looking at the foliage, it sure looks healthy. Maybe it will bloom this year. Thumbs up
Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
May 27, 2011 8:23 PM CST
I'll post pictures as soon as I know.
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Database Moderator
Seller of Garden Stuff I sent a postcard to Randy! Sempervivums Sedums Region: Wisconsin Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle
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goldfinch4
May 28, 2011 4:41 AM CST
That is a nice surprise! Rolling on the floor laughing
Cubits Store: The Sempervivum Patch - plants, containers, accessories!
Also stop by Timber Treasures and Garden Buddies on Cubits

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