Adeniums forum: Characteristics of a "Good" Caudex

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Name: Cheryl
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ShadyGreenThumb
May 26, 2013 6:52 PM CST
I have read over many posts on this forum in search of what you all think makes a "good" attractive caudex. Is it girth? Many "legs"? Width? Length? What? Is it repotting that encourages a larger caudex? I remember reading (Hetty?) that when you repot, you lift it 1" above the previous soil line to enlarge the caudex. I I'd like to hear from those who grow for a nice caudex. I also like the flowers though. Do I have to give up blooms for a nice caudex? I like a nice caudex about as much as I like pretty flowers. Can't we have both in the Adenium World?
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
May 26, 2013 6:56 PM CST
You can definitely have both! Here is a good example of an Adenium I received that was planted too deep. You can see how much I lifted it when repotting so it showed off its nice caudex.
And as far as what is 'attractive ' beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....

Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
May 26, 2013 6:58 PM CST
Another one that I lifted quite severely.

Thumb of 2013-05-27/Dutchlady1/480e50

Some people definitely grow for the caudex shape or size, but judging by the fact that I have two pictures of plants and a zillion pictures of flowers Hilarious! , the flowers are definitely more important to me!
Name: JT Sessions
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gone2seed
May 27, 2013 7:16 AM CST
I put about equal emphasis on flowers and caudex.I will turn down a plant that has exceptional flowers but a poor caudex.For me,a good caudex equals size and wierd/interesting shape.The arabicum on the right has a good caudex and nice flowers.The olefolium on the left has no caudex to speak of and almost no flowers.It would be toast except it's the only one of those I have. Thumb of 2013-05-27/gone2seed/d979c6
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
May 30, 2013 2:40 PM CST
Up to you! If you like, ok, if you don't, gone!

Here's google's pages of photos of caudexes, caudexi?

http://www.google.co.vi/search?q=caudex+adenium&tbm=isch&tbo...
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
May 30, 2013 6:52 PM CST
Caudices Smiling Whistling
Name: Jim Cook
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jimsned2
May 31, 2013 5:08 AM CST
CAUDEXES Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up

Name: Doris Klene
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kareoke
May 31, 2013 9:40 AM CST
Hi Jim, like you I don't get here much any more but do check the posts.
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jimsned2
May 31, 2013 10:00 AM CST
I'm just getting old and lazy, just happy to wake up alive in the morning Rolling my eyes. I miss everyone though, hey, whats your preference, bloom or caudex?

Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
May 31, 2013 1:18 PM CST
You're a trouble maker, Jim!! I want a great big, funny caudex with gorgeous blooms!
Name: Jim Cook
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jimsned2
May 31, 2013 3:39 PM CST
Yea, I know it ! Still I'd like to hear Doris's choice. I'm with you on caudexes, been keeping up reading the posts and am going to try digging up a few and slicing off the tap root just for kicks and giggles. How have ya been doing kiddo, still aqua diving? Is that what it's called?




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Name: JT Sessions
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gone2seed
Jun 1, 2013 3:24 PM CST
One more thing about cutting the tap root......let it dry thoroughly, or dip in some fungicide or cinnamon, before repotting.
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Jun 3, 2013 1:31 PM CST
Jim, I haven't been "scuba diving" in quite a while. Maybe again someday. I'm digging in the dirt lately, have planted Callaloo, Eddoe, Yam, tropical roots they are. The first two are elephant ears types of plants, the yam is a vine headed up my soursop tree, has fat roots. Haha, an edible caudex? hahahaha.

Name: Doris Klene
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kareoke
Jun 4, 2013 5:57 AM CST
Jim on flower or caudex, I am a flower gal, and the smell nodding
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
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coconut
Jun 4, 2013 1:37 PM CST
For smell, I like jasmine! I have a seedpod that's a cross between two somewhat fragrant DRs, one white, the other a pale yellow. Fingers crossed that I get seeds, and then babies, and then blooming plants! With great caudexxxxxesssii
Name: Mike Carlson
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JV44
Jun 26, 2013 8:22 AM CST
Tough question....caudex or flowers? Though I'm just a noob with adeniums right now, I'd have to say I like both yet I lean more towards a good caudex. From what I've read the arabicums and Thai socos are grown mainly for their caudices and the obesums more for the flowers--but even that doesn't mean you can't have a nice caudex on an obesum. It's just that they're a bit different, the obesum caudex seems to usually be more like really thick roots and they don't seem to get the wider horizontal caudex growth typical of arabicums--at least from what I've seen so far. Yet one can't really say "obesums NEVER do this...." or "arabicums ALWAYS have...." since there are so many variables--seed source, growing conditions, heavily pruned or not, etc. What I DO know for sure is that I'm getting a lot of enjoyment growing adeniums as well as learning a lot....and no matter how old you get, you should never stop learning.

As to JT's comment, I'm not sure I could turn down a plant with exceptional flowers but a poor caudex. I think I'd get the plant anyway and maybe try to graft the better flowering parts onto another adenium with a nicer caudex. This is all theoretical at the moment since I can't find ANY adeniums locally--not even Home Depot or Wal-Mart....forget local nurseries--up here they know/have virtually nothing beyond basic cacti an succulents. Maybe I'll donate a few in a year or two when my seedlings get more mature just to get the ball rolling. Right now all the adenium seeds and plants I get are via the internet.
Name: Robert B
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RobertB
Jun 29, 2013 9:36 PM CST
The caudex is long term love Lovey dubby while the blooms are like little affairs of the heart... Whistling Hilarious!
Name: Kodom087
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Dikodomy
Jun 30, 2013 7:06 AM CST
I agree LOL No truer words, Robert! Hilarious!
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gingin
Jun 30, 2013 1:14 PM CST
Very well put, Robert Hilarious!
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ShadyGreenThumb
Jun 30, 2013 1:17 PM CST
RobertB said: The caudex is long term love Lovey dubby while the blooms are like little affairs of the heart... Whistling Hilarious!


I like that! We have a plant that gives our heart all it needs!
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