Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Sempervivum Mount Usher.

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 4, 2013 5:52 PM CST

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It has come to the attention of both Chris and me that we have an error in the database for Sempervivum 'Mount Usher'.
The discovery came about when one of our members (sandnsea2) posted a new photo of a very lovely semp that did not match what was already in the database. While researching to find which one was correct I found that sandnsea2 had the correctly identified 'Mount Usher'.

Thank you so much Janice for entering such lovely photos of this semp, and helping in clearing up an error in the database.

This is such a great time to discuss how we can clear up errors, especially when we have all be trading back and forth. This can happen to any of us. So when we find something we are unsure of lets work together to track down the correct information.

Anyone receiving S. 'Mount Usher' from me or Chris, please mark it as a NOID.
We do know the source of this semp. We are contacting the nursery and asking them to remove it from their list of plants.
The below photos are not S. 'Mount Usher'
Thumb of 2013-06-04/valleylynn/6cf545 Thumb of 2013-06-04/valleylynn/bcc3da

As you can see, it is quite different.
Thumb of 2013-06-04/valleylynn/6684a3

Chris, maybe you can put a few of your photos in this thread?

Pictures from Chris of her plants:
Thumb of 2013-06-05/goldfinch4/2b01a6 Thumb of 2013-06-05/goldfinch4/167282
Thumb of 2013-06-05/goldfinch4/0e55b4


This is what Mount Usher should look like:


We are now open for discussion. :smily:
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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 4, 2013 6:55 PM CST
Thanks for sharing this Lynn and helping this important topic to stay on our minds!! Its easy to happen, especially when the semps are young and haven't developed their coloration! Thumbs up
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 4, 2013 7:04 PM CST

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This one actually came from a nursery. Haven't heard back from them yet.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 4, 2013 7:16 PM CST
Very curious what they say!! Thumbs up
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 4, 2013 7:33 PM CST

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I'll let you know when I hear from them.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 4, 2013 9:05 PM CST
Thanks Lynn!
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 4, 2013 10:14 PM CST

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I tip my hat to you.

Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
twitcher
Jun 4, 2013 11:21 PM CST
Sadly, this is probably more common than we realize.
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Jun 5, 2013 2:43 AM CST

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Thanks Lynn for creating this thread. I've added some of my pictures to the first post.

Twit, I agree, I'm sure it does happen quite often. Let's hope the source they came from will cooperate and remove from their inventory so the problem doesn't get compounded.
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Cahac
Jun 5, 2013 7:59 PM CST
Lynn
I'm not too sure we have the right pic of Mount Usher,yet, I've been digging around the net since i got my plant. on a German site are 3 pics 1 from SMG looks like Janice's pic,not 100% sure but these 2 looks to have Watermarks on the leaves and the other 2 pic on the site appear to be clear and are a more rose Red (here is a link http://www.semperhorst.de/diehmor MB - MZ/diehmor MB - MZ.htm Another site has a clear 1 but much darker burgundy . But all that said it all depends on the type of dirt and the amount of sunlight. the plant gets.
Here is an example of Ashes of Roses i took these pic today after i got Chris's email
pic #1 is in the front near a fence and gets about 2 hrs of full sun between 11 am to 1pm bright light but no more sun than that and is planted in fairly hard dirt in the ground
pic 2 is in front but on opposite side of yard-gets about 4 hrs of full sun between 10 am & after 3 it is shaded by tree from the sun2pm
pic 3 is in back of house and gets about 2 hrs of full evening sun around 4:30 to 6:30
Pic 4 is in front and gets about 2 hrs. of full overhead sun from about 3 to 5 pm the last 3 are all in potting soil in planters
cliff
link doesnt work right for some reason just highlight the whole address and click the open tab
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 5, 2013 10:34 PM CST

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Hi Cliff, great photos of S. 'Ashes of Roses'.
Yes, they can look quite different depending on the time of year, soil, sun/shade, water/or lack of. But your photos still show a basic type of semp represented in all your photos, that is consistent with the type of semp Ashes of Roses is. An awesome semp for sure. Smiling

The problem with the photos in the first post of this thread is that they are not even a tectorum type sempervivum (the ones both Chris and I posted). But the one that sandnsea2 posted is the correct type. And yes, it will change color depending on season and conditions. Also water markings are usually seasonal. So at certain times of the year they may show no water markings. And they can look different from a young offset to a mature rosette.
Do you have Mount Usher? It is a beautiful semp. Lovey dubby

http://sempervivum.aforumfree.com/t3545-mount-usher
http://www.sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Mount%20Usher
http://www.succulents.jp/photolist_sempervivum_comM.html
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Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Jun 6, 2013 3:07 AM CST

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Those are some good links too Lynn. They are all tectorums and especially the sites that show many photos of it (your last link) seem to support that Janice has the correct plant.

Those are some nice pictures of' Ashes of Roses' Cliff. Just goes to show how much of an effect the environment can have on the looks of any given semp!

Cliff has a 'Mount Usher' that he received from me, which is obviously the wrong plant. That's why he was already researching it on his own.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Jun 6, 2013 7:41 AM CST

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Good work Cliff. The more researchers we have the better. Hurray!
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
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gg5
Jun 6, 2013 1:02 PM CST
I agree
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling
Name: Cliff Hughes
Front Royal, Va (Zone 6a)
Region: Virginia Plant and/or Seed Trader Sempervivums Lilies Hummingbirder Birds
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Cahac
Jun 12, 2013 9:11 PM CST
here is my 2 M Ushers the smaller red 1 is from Chris and the larger 1 came from a small local nursery, I don't know where they get their stock from tho so i am still digging around when i get a chance so i have just put a ? in my listings
cliff

Thumb of 2013-06-13/Cahac/436724
closeup of my 1st 1

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