Hi Rose Forum Peeps! I purchased this bagged rose this spring (2023) at Walmart, and it was labeled as the Hybrid Tea "Givenchy". As you can see, Givenchy it is NOT! Am wondering if anyone can identify this lovely, romantic, prolifically blooming SCENTED rose? It is still rather small, because grown in a pot, in it's first year (from a bag, LOL). But it started blooming VERY quickly. I've uploaded as many pics as possible, please have a look! Many thanks in advance, Claire aka ParisRoseLady
PS: Please note this was a "Big Box" bagged rose purchase, ie grown by a mass market nursery and sold for $9.99, so, although this plant strongly resembles the David Austin-English roses, it may not actually BE an Austin....

Welcome to the forum ParisRoseLady! I can't name your lovely rose, but I'm sure someone here will have useful ideas.

Thank you porkpal, I am hoping someone has this variety and recognizes it!

As you can see from your photos, colour and form can be different due to aging on the same plant which makes ID more difficult. It does look like one of the David Austin English roses. Possibly something like Sweet Juliet or Jude The Obscure.

Claire.
One off the Austin roses.
I would go for Roald Dahl.
John

It did initially remind me of Jude, especially given its strong fragrance. Ill have to take a look at my neighbors RD. His form is less upright and strong which is why Im veering towards Jude. P.S. Sometimes the original tags are attached beneath the soil level if you didnt buy it bare root. Take a scrounge. I discovered one rose I bought was actually Alfred Sisley.

Thank you all, for the suggestions re: the Austin roses Jude the Obscure, Sweet Juliet, and Roald Dahl. I have my doubts about it being an Austin because of the the "mass market" origin of this rose, as it came from Walmart. I don't think the suppliers DO Austins for Walmart at 10 bucks a pop, LOL! That said, the cupped form and multi-petals are extremely reminiscent of an Austin. Of the 3 suggested, I think Jude and Sweet Juliet are most like it. Roald D. has much more apricot hue than this one, which is a very pale apricot morphing to palest pink and then white. Regarding an ID tag, there is no tag on this type of bagged rose, it's just a plastic wrapper (which I threw away, so I couldn't see the supplier's name). I've grown similar Kordes roses such as Earth Angel and Bliss Parfuma in the past, but this rose is not those. Meilland also does this type of full romantic bloom on many roses. The cupped format is a definite defining characteristic. Hmmm, Rose Sleuthing is quite fun, I like it! Thanks again, and MAYBE, just maybe this rose is one of those Austins...

Another reason it likely isn't an Austin is location. Albuquerque, N.M. being in the Southwest, and Austins in general preferring a milder climate, so it would be unlikely I think for them to be sending even their lower grade of roses. there. I've seen Grade 1 1/2 Austins priced in more affordable nurseries here No. CA. in the $20 range, never lower. A couple of the pics look like my Fun in the Sun rose before they fully open up. I think yours has more petals when fully open and are overall more pastel.

Thank you Rosemary, I think that these roses are similar, but not the same. But they are close! Also agree on the commentaries about Austins not being available for the low price point and targeted to the Southwest region. However, this was clearly a mistake as far as roses/labeling go, so it might be a plant originally destined for another area of the country?

It's not Jude... too many petals and wrong form.

Moonlight in Paris?
https://www.chambleeroses.com/...

Ive bought and seen many Austins at Walmart, both named ie. Darcey B and a couple of others, as well as some mis-named coming out of a nursery in Fl. Ive also bought Austins for as little as $2.50 at end of season from Lowes. All these were potted roses, but I still wouldnt discount it being JtheO or SJ on the basis of it coming from Walmart. Hope we can figure it out as its a gorgeous rose.
Now that my JtheO is in full bloom, I can see it has fewer petals and a more bulbous form. I could see it being FITS or MIParis, although my MIParis is whiter and my FITS is still small and not blooming much as an OR.

Thank you Elena, it is not Moonlight in Paris, I have that rose, and LOVE it. (It is currently my Avatar pic, LOL) Note: you sent a Chamblees link, did you see my post on Chamblees defrauding customers? If not, please check it out. Vaporvac, that is amazing you have all these discounted Austins in Ohio, here in NM they are only available at the boutique nurseries and sold at $60-70 potted. I have never seen Austins at Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart, and each season, I pass through those big box nurseries regularly. So if we are ruling out JtheO, that leaves Sweet Juliet as the top Austin contender at this point. She seems a little more intensely apricot than this one, however the NM sun is fierce and it tends to blanch colors, and this baby has always been in full sun.

PRL, to be transparent, the $2.50 roses were labeled simply Red Rose or Yellow Rose and were originally selling for $12.95 until marked down. I immediately recognized them as something really nice and found the Austin labels buried beneath the soil in the same way I later found Alfred Sisley. So I jumped on them and got Tess dU, Falstaff, Heathcliff, DarceyB and Molineux. However, Walmarts Austins were properly labeled gorgeous plants selling for less than $30 at the start of Covid. I already had quite a few though. Pickings have been slim as of late, unfortunately. At least you dont have to deal with fugal diseases!

LOL Vaporvac, it's true that in NM we don't have problems with humidity, I literally have had 2 roses (only) that got blackspot in the past 7 years (True Sincerity and Rainbow Sorbet, both bred by Ping Lim), sad to say but they both got the proverbial shovel. And that's a riot that roses you bought on clearance for $2.50 ended up being Austins!!

I only have one Ping Lim rose and so far its healthy. Thats DayDream.
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

I have seven of his roses and they have never suffered from blackspot. There's an old thread somewhere in this forum that details my experience with blackspot one year. I had about 2,000 roses at the time and kept a record of the ones that seemed immune to blackspot. The list kept getting shorter as time went on and more and more roses succumbed. At the end, the only blackspot-free roses in my garden were 'Playboy' and the five Ping Lim roses I had at that time.

Zuzu and Vaporvac, I love Ping Lim and think he is a wonderful hybridizer. He's like the Dalai Lama of the rose world in terms of his vibe, at least to me. I just remembered a third rose that I ended up getting rid of because of chronic blackspot, this was the Floribunda Julie Andrews. I was surprised because it was sold under a series called Clean and Easy (I think that was the name) that were supposed to be no-spray, trouble free roses. Well, I don't spray and live in an arid high desert zone, so I was surprised when this one defoliated 2 years in a row, a shame because the blooms are lovely. That said, each garden/gardener's experience is a different journey, and plants that grow well in one garden will not necessarily have the same performance in another, even in the same geographical location. I also think there are good vs weaker specimens within a given rose variety, and those genes can come into play. Plus, if it is a grafted rose, the quality of the rootstock. Not to mention how the plants are cared for and cultivated. One of the great things about being a rose fanatic are all these details and ongoing challenges that preoccupy our Rose-Obsessed brains : )

PS: Vaporvac, Daydream is wonderful, I remember fantasizing over this rose back 20 years ago when I first got bitten by the rose bug. Zuzu, the fact that you once grew 2000 roses is astonishing. Now I'm going to throw that out there when my husband grumbles that our current 80 rose brood is too big: "Oh honey, I know 80 plants seems like a lot, but at least we don't have 2000 like Zuzu..."

Blackspot is genetically very diverse, and because of this, new strains are always emerging. This means that the disease resistance that is bred into new cultivars doesn't always last, because new strains of the fungus evolve to overcome it.