Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Semp.'Maria Laach' ID question

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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 6, 2013 10:23 PM CST
Hi Lynn and all, I have a S. 'Maria Laach' (photo below, looks like it needs a carwash!) Lynn in looking at the japanese website that you posted for Mt Usher ID issues, I noticed that their Maria Laach is an arachnoideum type...mine is not! Its large and smooth, with no tufts or cilia - just curious what people have for this semp.
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Jun 7, 2013 1:58 AM CST

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Greg, picture please?? Smiling
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picklepuff
Jun 7, 2013 5:23 AM CST
Greg, My Maria Laach is smooth and small. I can take a pic later today. Its about 1.5" max.
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tabby
Jun 7, 2013 7:36 AM CST
Maria Laach is most definitely not an arachnoideum type. I noticed that mistake on another website, but on most websites it looks just like mine.

It is a very prolific semp. It goes from nearly black in the spring to green with black tips.

Early spring photo:
Thumb of 2013-06-07/tabby/6f1616

Summer:
Thumb of 2013-06-07/tabby/3abc99
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2013 8:40 AM CST

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Greg, do you have a photo?

I agree with tabby and picklepuff, it is not an arach type semp. Tabby's photos are a wonderful representation of S. 'Maira Laach'.

And here is a link showing 3 more photos from 3 different sources. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=...

Looking forward to your photo Sandi.

Tabby can you add your above photos to the database? They are such wonderful representatives of this semp.
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Cahac
Jun 7, 2013 1:14 PM CST
Greg,
Yours look like Maria L the Arac type is Mariah L the Maria is directley above the Mariah. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
check the page again yours is just darker than the 1 on their pic.
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2013 1:55 PM CST

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Cliff can you give us a link?
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Cahac
Jun 7, 2013 2:15 PM CST
Lynn
your 3rd link on the M Usher discussion page http://www.succulents.jp/photolist_sempervivum_comM.html
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2013 2:40 PM CST

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Thank you Cliff, I see it now.
And it does say that the name is often confused with Maria Laach. I can see why. Rolling my eyes.

Greg, where did you get yours from?
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gg5
Jun 7, 2013 3:38 PM CST
Hi all, sorry I thought I'd posted a photo, or else the photo was blurry because I tried taking it too late last night...I'm posting now, whether its a good one or not...you'll get the idea! I got mine at Youngs and its a gorgeous semp, (and like to what is in the database here, so I thought this was correct, but it concerned me!)
Here is my baby! Maria! She's a month old Hilarious!
Thumb of 2013-06-07/gg5/07fa7e
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2013 4:22 PM CST

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Hurray! Will the real 'Maria Laach' please show yourself. Hurray!

gg5 said: I got mine at Youngs and its a gorgeous semp, (and like to what is in the database here, so I thought this was correct, but it concerned me!)
Here is my baby! Maria! She's a month old Hilarious!
Thumb of 2013-06-07/gg5/07fa7e


And she is a beauty for sure. Lovey dubby
How big is she?
Name: tabby
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tabby
Jun 7, 2013 4:43 PM CST
I hadn't noticed the "h" on the end of Maria before, but that explains the one I saw at Mountain Crest. It's a different plant with a different name! I just though it was wrongly labeled. Sheesh, those two names are way too similar.
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2013 5:28 PM CST

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I agree As if things are difficult enough. Thumbs down

Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 7, 2013 5:31 PM CST
Tabby I agree way to similar!!!
Lynn my hen is 4 inches across and growing - so that makes it a little bit different from Pickle's...Tabby your's looks to have larger hens too. Anyway Cliff you are exactly right that I looked at the wrong line! OOpsie! Rolling on the floor laughing
Well, now that we got that straight...what's next?? Lovey dubby I feel like another "lite" semp mystery! Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jun 7, 2013 10:13 PM CST

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Greg your semp may grow much larger than tabby's or pickle's would. Yours has a richer soil and a lot more rain to help it along.
The photos on Young's looks more like what tabby's photos show.
Did pickle post a photo?
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 7, 2013 11:10 PM CST
Not that I've seen! This has helped me realize though that I need to be more observant when searching different websites! Part of the problem was that it was loading slowly the first few times I'd go to that site (because of the volume of info there) and I got impatient!
Thanks everyone for helping me!
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picklepuff
Jun 7, 2013 11:32 PM CST
Greg, sorry I didn't take a photo. There are a couple of my photos in the data base. I believe Tabby and I have the same source for our 'Maria Laach'. My semp is grown in a small pot with poor soil and very little water, so it has stayed very small. Lynn is right. If I had different growing conditions, my semp would probably be much bigger.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 8, 2013 12:23 AM CST
Pickles - but then you'd be growing out of your yard space even quicker! Hilarious! It sure is a lovely semp though!
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Eviesmummy
Jun 8, 2013 1:13 AM CST
Oh that sure is a gorgeous semp Greg, love the water marks. Watermarked semps are next on my list!
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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 8, 2013 1:21 AM CST
Kate I love them myself too! Oh but you already know that huh! Since I love em all!! Happy bday gnome!!! How exciting! Hurray! I tip my hat to you.
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