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Name: Nicole
Dallas (Zone 7b)
dangerousflames
Jun 18, 2013 2:22 PM CST
Hi!
New here and very interested in the genetics and hybridizing of Sempervivum. Any pointers on where I can find information on the varieties and crosses? Also dominant and recessive trait lists? Thank you so much!
Name: Julia
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springcolor
Jun 18, 2013 3:04 PM CST
Hi Nicole,
Welcome! Welcome!
I think if you scroll through this tread you will find the lecture that Kevin did about hybridizing. Lynn or Chris will come along soon but I just wanted to say glad your here!!!!!

The thread "Hybridizing Clinic with Kevin Vaughn" in Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum
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Lilydaydreamer
Jun 18, 2013 6:30 PM CST
Welcome!

I am new to semps as of last fall so still learning. Will enjoy reading what gets posted. nodding

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CDsSister
Jun 18, 2013 6:58 PM CST

Welcome to you both Welcome! Welcome!

There is much to learn, just start by reading some of the threads. Hope you enjoy the group. There are
many, many very dedicated sempsters Hilarious! Hilarious!

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webesemps
Jun 18, 2013 6:58 PM CST
I agree that it is nice to have you both new to this forum. Welcome! Nicole and Lisa!!
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jun 18, 2013 10:09 PM CST

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Hi Nicole, and Welcome!
So glad you found your way here. Are you in Dallas, TX or Dallas, OR?
Here is a link about hybridizing. In the first post there are links to watch the video that was taken during the Spring 2013 Hybridizing Clinic.
The thread "Hybridizing Clinic with Kevin Vaughn" in Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum
You can also find information on some of the semps in our database here at ATP. You can search by hybridizer, size, and much more.
Let me know if you need any help in finding what you need.
We would love to have you attend the next clinic spring of 2014 if you can.

Lisa so glad to see you here, I've been enjoying your semp photos on some of the other threads her in the Sempervivum Forum. You are doing such a great job of growing them.

Spring, I see you also posted a link to the Clinic thread. Thank you so much. Hurray!
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goldfinch4
Jun 18, 2013 11:36 PM CST

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Hi Nicole and Welcome! Glad to have you join us! Lots of great people and information here to share with you.
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springcolor
Jun 19, 2013 1:03 AM CST
I tip my hat to you.
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Eviesmummy
Jun 19, 2013 1:32 AM CST
Hello and Welcome! Welcome! Welcome!
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Name: Nicole
Dallas (Zone 7b)
dangerousflames
Jun 19, 2013 7:45 AM CST
Hi and thanks for the warm welcome!

Started looking through the posts...is there one with a list of traits/genomes? My seven year old and I cannot wait to get stated with out project/growing. We have a bunch of NOID that we have loved growing, and want to start with some named varieties. There are some really amazing ones that we have our eyes on. He loves genetics and so do I, and since this will be hands on I think he will get a lot out of it. Plus he is a self professed Geek like me. :-)

We are in Dallas, Texas...sorry for the confusion!
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 19, 2013 7:53 AM CST

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I just got excited thinking you might live here in Dallas, OR. Big Grin

When you say traits, do you mean as in fuzzy, smooth, large, small, color, watermarkings, etc.?
Sorry to say, I do not have a very scientific mind.
Maybe there is some one here that can give us more information.

We do have Kevin Vaughn that understands that type of thing. He is a noted hybridizer of a number of different types of plants. Hosta, iris, sempervivum are but a few of them.

Maybe we can get him to answer questions in a thread devoted to that topic?
Name: Nicole
Dallas (Zone 7b)
dangerousflames
Jun 19, 2013 8:11 AM CST
Exactly Valleylynn!
Traits that are expressed visually and traits that are carried. This way when we cross breed them we have a better understanding which are dominant/recessive and which would carry sterility, etc.

I have read up on Mr.Vaughn and would love to pick his brain about sempervivums! Found one book on amazon that might be helpful, but so cost prohibitive!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 19, 2013 9:07 AM CST

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Kevin would be very helpful to you, he has a wealth of knowledge in plant breeding. Let me see what I can do in this area.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 19, 2013 11:37 PM CST
Hi Nicole, Glad you made it too ATP! Lynn, somewhere the handout from spring 2013's clinic got posted and it has a list of common traits that are dominant - like "reds and purples" (which surprisingly to me, are dominant)
Several of us have noticed that we're getting many blooming this spring/early summer, and I myself have moved my bloomers all in one section of my yard so they can randomly pollinate! I have some fuzzy ones, some webby, large, small - a huge mix and I'm just going to see what happens!! I notied today that there were lots of bees all over my semp blooms! Hurray! I tip my hat to you.
(Nicole, there is SOOO much info on here, and only some of it will be directly pertinent to what you're looking for, but we are a fun group, so make yourself at home!) Oh yeah and these folks LOVE to see photos, so maybe you and your son can make that part of your project, photos of your noids! nodding (just a suggestion!) Sticking tongue out
Cheers
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jun 20, 2013 10:08 AM CST

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Yes, we love photos Nicole. Hurray!

Nicole here is the information Greg is referring to, from the hybridizing clinic. This might help.
http://www.youngs-garden.com/blog/hybridizing-sempervivum/
Name: Nicole
Dallas (Zone 7b)
dangerousflames
Jun 20, 2013 10:33 AM CST
Thank you for the link! That is what brought me to the forum in the first place. I'll post a picture of John's Big Mama plant when I can...it won't let me on my cell.

We are particularly Interested in the tetraploid crosses, at least John is (why some crosses are sterile and others are not). We also have to find a local source for named or unnamed varieties. It is already into the upper 90's in Texas, and I do by know how well shipped plants would fair.
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jun 20, 2013 11:07 AM CST
Its tricky growing them in that heat, but many people are succeeding! Here in the north we can find them at nurseries and big box stores. Have you tried googling local sources for sempervivum? Or if you have a succulent nursery nearby, they may have ideas.
Keep us updated!! I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jun 20, 2013 11:10 AM CST
Nicole, since I have know idea about the "science" of these guys I googled "sempervivum tetraploid" and got this blog, the photos are from kevin's yard, and our clinic this past spring. And I didn't scroll through the whole thing, but I'm pretty sure he lists dominant traits.
Cheers
http://www.youngs-garden.com/blog/hybridizing-sempervivum/
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Name: Nicole
Dallas (Zone 7b)
dangerousflames
Jun 22, 2013 10:40 AM CST
The heat is going to be a problem I know. It is already upper 90's here. I think the next time I am at the arboretum I will ask, or my local farm coop (the master gardener program is amazig).
We are big science geeks here. Big Grin
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jun 22, 2013 3:24 PM CST
Hooray for that!! Hurray! I respect it in others since its not a quality I possess much of Rolling on the floor laughing
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