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Jan 21, 2024 6:05 PM CST
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Name: Elena
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I am planning large roses bed where sun light is limited. Would love to learn about your experience growing roses in shade and about specific varieties.
Know for sure that lavender and purple roses do not like direct light.
Also got an advice to plant roses in pots and move them around finding the best space. Any objections?
Thanks as always.
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Jan 21, 2024 7:11 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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I like the moving pot technique. Let the rose tell you what it prefers.
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Jan 21, 2024 7:14 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
How much sunlight are we talking and wht is the exposure? Is the shade coming from All angles or from a tree or building? In my experience these are the most important factors. Also, is there any root competition from trees?
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Jan 21, 2024 7:35 PM CST
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Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6b)
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Vaporvac, in my case shade came from big tree and building.. Angry
Although New Down grows like crazy there.
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Jan 21, 2024 8:01 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Growing isn't usually the problem from my roses in shade... It's blooming and health. Ill write more in a moment.
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Jan 21, 2024 8:08 PM CST
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Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6b)
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Here is my list for this season.
Abbaye de Cluny 4x4
Amour de Molène®
Angel Face 3x3
Bliss Parfuma 3x2
Boscobel 4x3
Bring me Sunshine 4x4
Colette
Crazy Fashion 3' – 4'
Crazy Love 5x3
Dames de Chenonceau 4x3
Easy Does It 4x4
Elle 3x3
Etrusca 4x3
Florentina Arborose
Fun in the Sun 5x3
Garden Delight 4x3
Gold Opportunity
Gruaud Larose 4x3 ??
Koko Loco 4x3
Love me love me not 5x3 ???
Love Song 4x5
Munstead Wood 3'x3'
Paul Bocuse 5X4
Peach Melba
Polka
Pop art 4x2
Power puff 4x2
Queen of Elegance 5x4
Rouge Royale 5x3
Sonia Rykiel 5x4
Stile '800 4x2
Sweet Delight 4x3
Versignity 4x3
Yves Piaget 3x3

If I will be smarter, will choose roses based on shade tolerance, not on favourite colours and look. I have some sunny space, but about half of this list supposed to be in some shade.
I have already mapped them on my plan, but might redo it with more focus on shade tolerance.
If you can tell me that any of particular roses are good in shade, it might be very helpful!
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Jan 21, 2024 8:44 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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Easy Does It is partial shade tolerant. I have 2 of them
I have read that Munstead Wood is shade tolerant.
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Jan 21, 2024 9:00 PM CST
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Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6b)
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I have also learned about Bring me Sunshine and Yves Piaget. Smiling
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Jan 21, 2024 9:57 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Here are those that Ive found to be rock solid: Ghislaine De Feligonde, Pink Pet, Chuckles, Bubble Bath, Anthony Waterer, Prosperity, Marjorie Fair,Belinda, Ballerina, Harkness' Robin Hood, Darlow's Enigma, Marie Pavie,
Wind Chimes and Lavender Lassie to a lesser degree, .
One that is decidedly NOT shade tolerant is Florentina. It will grow huge and and stay healthy, but only give a few blooms, if any. This is also my experience with New Dawn, but with a very good first bloom, at least.
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Jan 21, 2024 10:01 PM CST
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Name: Elena
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Vaporvac, your list is too sophisticated for me! I am still in roses mass market. nodding
But it's good to know about Florentina from experience, just recently learned an opposite, but will follow your advice and plant her in sun. Thumbs up
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Jan 21, 2024 10:06 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
Perhaps in CA, but not here in my experience planting her in a couple of locations for a few years to give it a chance. The difference since replanting in sun has been remarkable! What a rose whose only lack is fragrance.
MWood can take a bit of light shade in my yard. Struggled with bloom and health in heavier.
Most of these are old standbys, but few have the full, large petal-packed look I think you favour, having instead a more innocent charm that can effectively complement more opulent roses.
At least three came from Menards so you may get lucky. Pink Pet was sold as Caldwell Pink.
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Jan 21, 2024 11:42 PM CST
Name: Karen
Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Sally Holmes was in the most difficult area of shade, and its 10' canes arced over self-sowing foxgloves, originally gifted to me by an elderly, retired mill worker, Hazel. She told me that when the mill had closed two years before my late dh and I moved here, that it's silence was louder than the mill's 24-7 sound of 'clapping' when it was manufacturing some kind of textile.

But back to Sally Holmes - it was single, blooming in dense shade - and the petals were so large that they seemed to sail in breezes among the spires of foxgloves.
I can't recommend that one enough.

(Japanese anemones also self-sowed in that area and extended shady bloom into September, until my garden was discovered by a trespasser who neatly moved the anemones to a path (I guess at night), from where on another morning I discovered they had vanished. Evidently, the roots of Japanese Anemones are more easily moved while winter-dormant, during a thaw - as are invasives - the garden is starting to look ready for a parking lot now.)

But back to shade tolerant roses - further down the hill, Cornelia cascaded beautifully beneath a saucer magnolia, over a wall of old stones mostly gone now...

...and the one rose that performed best of all in shade with classic form, abalone-shaded ivory, fragrance, repeat performance, disease resistance - and did I say shade tolerance? - was the rose said to be the oldest floribunda: Gruss an Aachen

But we have no crime here - neither did garden, nor its disappearance, nor its gardener ever really exist - Graham Thomas never reached the arbor in that shade and neither did Ghislaine de Feligonde shower its clouds of apricot-tinted cream above them all - there's no manipulation of perception going on here - no stale real estate market impeding 'progress' - just a green peaceful big-brother-ish oasis.

karen
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Jan 22, 2024 7:55 PM CST
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Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6b)
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Karen, Thank You!
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Jan 23, 2024 2:57 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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Elena, have you figured out how many of hours of sun you receive in this new garden bed? If the tree produces leaves in the Spring/summer, you will have to recalculate.
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Jan 23, 2024 3:29 PM CST
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Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6b)
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Margie, I am planning to do this in Spring. I know for sure, that one end is more sunny then other.
It was former vegetables bed and eggplants were growing there like crazy. That gives me some hope. Smiling
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Jan 23, 2024 6:22 PM CST
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Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6b)
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Does it make any sense to buy this device or something similar to measure sunlight time?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q56D14Z/
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Jan 23, 2024 7:43 PM CST
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If eggplant was doing well, some roses should as well.
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Jan 23, 2024 11:15 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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Elena999 said: Does it make any sense to buy this device or something similar to measure sunlight time?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q56D14Z/

Don't make this more complicated than necessary. You need a clock, pencil and paper.
Starting early in the morning, write down on the paper as soon as you see sun on the garden bed. Than keep checking the area every hour adding notations.
For example: sun 7am - 12 noon, shade 12 -2, sun 2 - 5 Total sun 8 hrs.
When you do the map, you could divide your garden bed in half. (the sunnyside where the veggies were planted and the other side).
You could plant some of your roses in the ground where you have most of the sun. And the remaining roses in containers like Porkpal suggested. They can be moved around using a planter tray with wheels.

And if necessary, you could add a couple of outdoor grow lights as Rose_Guy1127 did.
Here's a photo of a map I did of my garden beds. It will be difficult to read but, I think you will get the general idea.


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Jan 23, 2024 11:29 PM CST
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Name: Elena
Cincinnati, OH (Zone 6b)
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Margie, thank you for the great suggestions! Thank You! Will start the preparation in March.
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Jan 24, 2024 12:23 AM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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My pleasure.
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