Is that one of yours Pat? Pretty! I have a question I like the looks of FOUR EYES and wonder if that type of eyezone has a name. I would like to put it in the search. Thanks

I know of no particular name for that type of eye, and if there is one I doubt a search for it would yield many results. I would refer to it as a multicolored eye. But, if I put that in a search it would not even bring up 'Four Eyes'
How many colors do the rest of you see in the eye. I am slightly color blind.

So I punched in my search using "multicolored eye" and I discovered a very similar styled eye on 'Aquamarine Jewel' (Stamile, 2022). I just wonder if the actual bloom looks even close to the photo? https://daylilydatabase.org/de...
@Vinity, you show to grow this but it probably has not bloomed yet, but if it has or when it does please post photos.

I believe the unofficial term is "twinkle midrib" referring to the white dart that comes from the throat onto the midrib. Take away the twinkle and you have simply a multi color eye. A quick search using "twinkle midrib" in the color box of the NGA database brings up 19. The main problem searching is hybridizers don't always put in the finer descriptive details when registering.

@Char,
What is it exactly that determines the "twinkle" part of midrib, I did a search and some of them just looked like midribs of a different color (mostly white).

From my understanding of the use of the term I guess an unofficial def could be something like "twinkle midrib" is a small, most often white, dart extending from the throat and onto the base of the midrib. Rather than a white midrib that goes 1/2 way or more across the petal.

Thanks for the info, I don't have any that look like that and thought it was interesting.

Char said: From my understanding of the use of the term I guess an unofficial def could be something like "twinkle midrib" is a small, most often white, dart extending from the throat and onto the base of the midrib. Rather than a white midrib that goes 1/2 way or more across the petal.

Autumn Concerto (LA photo)

Bird Talk

Dark Alliance (Guy Pierce photo)

Halloween Green

Quasar Cutie

William Colby Jones


Would the rib be too long on these to meet the 'twinkle midrib' / informal term?
Destined to See

Dodged a Bullet

Mildred Mitchell


I get that this term 'twinkle midrib' is used informally, but that does create a rather distinctive 'look' in the bloom center ... though not always does each bloom of the same variety show a midrib as short as perhaps another bloom might. But if, generally, that 'dart' is less than halfway onto the petal...? Just trying to get a feel for a guideline on when that might be applied.

I love the look (have a few that show that) but did not know there is a term for it. So thank you for the input.

As I said, the usage I have seen over the years for "twinkle midrib" refers to a dart of color on the midrib. A dart is defined as "a small pointed object". A guideline would be "less than halfway onto the petal" otherwise it would simply be a long white midrib. It's not about the shape it gives to the eye or band, rather the dart of color, usually but not always white.
That would be a no on Destined to See and Mildred Mitchell both of which I have grown and frequently show a white midrib.

So…what would you call a flower with that effect in color, like Spotted Sandpiper?

So if we're talking about just the midrib...a long purple midrib with small white twinkle

Just to clarify what I was saying in my posts...
We were trying to figure out a way to search the database for an eye with the shape seen on Four Eyes. I'm not aware of any term currently being used for that eye shape, I agree there is a distinctive shape to the eyezone. The registration description of Four Eyes is "cream petals and sepals, blue, gray and fuchsia eye on petals and sepals, green throat". There is no mention of the shape of the eye. Spotted Sandpiper is described by the hybridizer as " lavender with fuchsia speckles, gray blue and fuchsia eye and edge, green throat", again no mention of the shape of the eye.
Sometimes by breaking a characteristic down to flower parts, in this case the colored midrib, and knowing terms hybridizers might use in their descriptions you may find some of what you are looking for in the database. Of course this depends on there being a term and hybridizers using it in the registration description. Elongated found 1 daylily with the shape, while color midrib and several others I tried didn't find any daylilies with that eye shape in the database. However, "Twinkle Midrib" did find a few even though it is not about the eye shape but rather a term for color on the midrib. If anyone knows a better term or way to find daylilies with that shape of eye or what hybridiers call that shape for registration descriptions I'm sure we'd all like to know. Maybe someone could start a thread to post our favorite daylilies with only that shape eye then we would have a reference to use rather than term searches that may or may not work in the database. I'll have to see if I have images or I could make a list of ones I know.

Searching for "dart" in the description field found
'Distinguished Bloodlines' and 19 others but some of those are unlikely to have the pattern that is of interest.

To me what makes these type of eyes look different is what I will refer to as an "accented midrib". It is a prominent midrib with a different color along with the extension into the throat that gives it that distinct look.
My search using that term found 'Constant Change' (Ansari, 2016), 'Subtle Companion' (Ansari, 2022),'Tajalliyat' (Ansari, 2020),'Thank God' (Ansari, 2022).
These were the ones I thought that showed the type of eye we were looking for. They were all by the same hybridizer and that accents where the real problem is, not having a generally accepted term that hybridizers are aware of and will agree upon to use. She also had others listed using the term "accented midrib' but some of those did not seem to me to have the same look.
Edited to add:
I tried a search with both terms together: "multicolored eye, accented midrib" and got no results. So the search does not seem to find two different terms if not used together in the hybridizer's description. So by complicating the search description even a little can restrict you results.

Yes, I see 'Distinguished Bloodlines' when I do the "dart" search in the AHS database. It's a pending reg so doesn't pull up in the NGA database yet. I see the "twinkle midrib' feature (dart) on the others.

'Accented midrib' with the Ansari cv's shows how a hybridizer might use a term but what is it referring to if it's not consistently used? These 3 were closest to what I think was originally asked as the search pattern.
(seems inconsistent with the pattern)




Others, mostly earlier, that I know of include

close but borders on "chevron" which brings up a few in the database. Chevron appears to more a completely triangular eye rather than what we're searching for with the eye color extending outward on the midrib.






this one promptly died after I paid an arm and a leg for it.



varies









None of these had any searchable term for that shape of eye, they didn't even mention the midrib. I took a look at Linda Sue's pattern DJ articles (#2 , 3 2012 & #1 2013) and she showed Stamile's Firecracker Parade

in with several others that did not have the same shape but she called them "starburst" which I'm not sure totally fits and apparently never caught on with hybridizers. It brings up all kinds of stuff.

It's funny we have "notch" for the opposite which appears to be accepted by hybridizers and more consistently used for the same thing.

I find that interesting because I had no idea there was a word for that look, but when I would see one with that "starburst" look, in my mind I actually saw it as a "notched" eye.

@Char wrote "this one promptly died after I paid an arm and a leg for it."

Me too. I never bought a new introduction when it was first offered, ever again.

quote="Zoia"] To continue a conversation from " Daylilies Arriving Spring 2024" I would like to start a list of flowers that have the effect that apparently doesn't have a name. You know it when you see it! It's when the Daylily has a star in the middle, an effect of the eye being drawn out in a twinkle effect down the midribs.

Here are Daylilies from my collection that seem to fall into this uncategorized category.

Some I'm not sure, they seem to fit but the criteria aren't fully established. It's probable that some of these could just be a white midrib. But it's the Star effect I'm looking for.

A Woman of Color



Black Arrowhead




Brown Delicious



Butterfly Jamboree



Dave Swarbrick



Geometric Wizard



Greywoods Chasin' the Blues




Halloween Green




Harmonica




Impact Zone




Little Surfer Girl



Looney Tunes




Luminous Intentions



Natures Way




Neptune's Daughter




Pastel Pattern




Purple Cheetah



Quasar Cutie




Ring Necked Pheasant




Spotted Sandpiper



Zebra Power



Zyzzified


There are many others that could qualify, also many that haven't bloomed here yet. Obviously, this is a relatively modern trait. [/quote]

Not sure if this one fits within the discussion or not.

The color description in the database for Path of the Storm: "dark purple with extremely dark violet blue eye, exact yellow green throat pattern with bright yellow lines that burst into the midrib area"

I searched "burst" in the "color description" of the database and this resulted in 11 pages. I went through a few and found "starburst throat" often referred to but also found "starburst eye" and "burst" used in relation to midribs.

Visions of Rapture, the description uses the words "starburst effect"


Scrolling through there were many that wouldn't fit in with the characteristic talked about here, but there did appear to be some so worth a try.

Somehow I find that funny Maurice. Sometimes it's nice to know you're not alone! The other funny, or maybe sad, part is it didn't stop me from buying more new intro's. There's been way to many to count since way back then.

Nice images Zoia. There is a star effect in all of them and some have the eye shape Teresa was asking about. Quasar Cutie is an oh my

Great find K. "Starburst" does seem to fit in some ways. The white "twinkle", "dart" or "accented midrib" is there but many of the images don't have the extended eye color above that give the eye that distinctive shape.
Visions of Rapture does have the purple of the eye up the midrib above the white.