Plant ID forum: Is this hippeastrum breviflorum?

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utfootballdiva
Jun 22, 2013 12:44 PM CST
These were given to me a couple fo years ago and are doing well in my yard. The lady that gave them to me said her great-grandmother had brought them with her to Tennessee from South Carolina about 100 years ago. Other than being some kind of lily I have no idea what they are. They do look somewhat like images I've found of hippeastrum breviflorum but what I've read tells me that they are generally found in South America. Anyone have any ideas?Thumb of 2013-06-22/utfootballdiva/211d17
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JRsbugs
Jun 22, 2013 12:54 PM CST
Welcome!

It's Crinum, I would think impossible to give a name as there has been much breeding and confusion in the past. Very nice too!

http://bayoucityheirloombulbs.com/collectorcrinum.htm
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jun 22, 2013 1:00 PM CST
That appears to be Crinum x herbertii...Milk and wine Crinum. it was bred in the 1800's by William Dean Herbert, so it qualifies age wise. It is one of the most cultivated Crinum lilies in the south/southeast.

http://sfagardens.sfasu.edu/UserFiles/File/PLANTS/Crinum%20x...

http://almostedenplants.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=3058
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utfootballdiva
Jun 22, 2013 1:02 PM CST
Thank you so much!
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plantladylin
Jun 22, 2013 1:05 PM CST
Welcome! from me too utfootballdiva!

It does appear to be a Crinum but there are so many hybrids that look alike to me. My first thought was C. bulbispermum: Crinum (Crinum bulbispermum) but it look a lot like Crinum 'Milk and Wine' too: Crinum (Crinum 'Milk and Wine')

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utfootballdiva
Jun 22, 2013 1:15 PM CST
You are so kind and quick to reply. Any tips to keep it blooming as long as possible this summer? I'm hoping it continuously blooms the way my daylilies do.
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Moonhowl
Jun 22, 2013 1:21 PM CST
I went with Milk and Wine because it is a passalong plant from UTFDiva's friend's grandmother and has a family history ....there is a lot of variance in Milk and Wine, especially since it is itself a cross of C scabrum and C bulbispermum....and they have had 100 years to morph. Smiling

Without a doubt, the most commonly cultivat
ed hybrid crinums in East Texas are
C. x herbertii
, the milk and wine lilies,
with their candy striped flowers of pink and
white. Dean William Herbert (177
8-1847), an English minister, botanist,
naturalist, artist, and reformed politician,
holds the record for breeding the
greatest variety of crinum
hybrids. C. x herbertii
was described by Herbert in
1837 as a cross between C. scabrum
and C. bulbispermum
. Crosses between C.
zeylanicum
and C. bulbispermum
are also considered m
ilk and wine lilies, along
with just about any that have st
riped flowers. C. x herbertii
has cascading, slightly
glaucous-green foliage, large flowers st
alks, and drooping striped flowers. It
blooms heavily from summer to fall, shortly
following rains or irrigation. Like many
crinums, C.x herbertii
is very fragrant.
. In addition to many
unnamed forms I also cultivate one called 'Carroll Abbott' which is big, early and
very free blooming
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plantladylin
Jun 22, 2013 1:22 PM CST
plantladylin said: Welcome! from me too utfootballdiva!

It does appear to be a Crinum but there are so many hybrids that look alike to me. My first thought was C. bulbispermum: Crinum (Crinum bulbispermum) but it looks a lot like Crinum 'Milk and Wine' too: Crinum (Crinum 'Milk and Wine')



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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jun 22, 2013 1:26 PM CST
Here is some info on basic care.

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/how-to-grow-crinum-lily#.Uc...
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plantladylin
Jun 22, 2013 1:28 PM CST
Ok, that's weird ... Confused I don't know what I did but it seems my laptop has hiccups because I know I'm not so fast at typing that it disappears like that! Hilarious! I edited to correct my spelling but for some reason the remainder of my edit of adding a sentence isn't there.

What I was going to add is to say that you are good Moon! It really does look to be Milk and Wine and oh my ... fragrant you say? That makes it even more worthy of growing! Thumbs up
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utfootballdiva
Jun 22, 2013 1:29 PM CST
Thanks for the link!

I feel quite honored to be given these since the giver had such a nice family history to go with them Smiling Apparently great grandmother was only 13. She married and her new husband moved her to Tennessee. What a treasure for sure!
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 22, 2013 1:32 PM CST
utfootballdiva said:Thanks for the link!

I feel quite honored to be given these since the giver had such a nice family history to go with them Smiling Apparently great grandmother was only 13. She married and her new husband moved her to Tennessee. What a treasure for sure!

I agree A beautiful treasure!
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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jun 22, 2013 1:34 PM CST
You are most welcome. I love Crinums... I have a few varieties of them..... they are most forgiving of my neglect in my garden.... Hilarious!

Rolling on the floor laughing Lin....I wondered if you were just saying you agreed...???
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 22, 2013 1:35 PM CST
Are there any Dwarf varieties of Crinum? Most I see are sooo huge but so beautiful; wish I had the space for one.
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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jun 22, 2013 1:35 PM CST
That is the joy of Passalong plants...they all come with a story that makes them special. Thumbs up
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jun 22, 2013 1:39 PM CST
Yes, Ms Lin...you too can have Crinums...

http://www.yuccado.com/crinum-x-hannibals-s-dwarf.html

http://www.tropicalworldusa.com/Crinum-Menehune-Dwarf-Red-Le...
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jun 22, 2013 2:11 PM CST
Oooh, Thank you Moon!! Green Grin!
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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jun 22, 2013 2:59 PM CST
You are too welcome. Smiling
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jun 22, 2013 3:10 PM CST
The petals look too broad for C. x herbertii, if you have read much about Crinum you will find that they are not so easy to identify due to early misnaming and confusion and there was a lot of hybridising. The petals are more like Mon Cherie but I don't know how old that is, and it's impossible to say for sure.

http://bayoucityheirloombulbs.com/collectorcrinum.htm

http://sfagardens.sfasu.edu/UserFiles/File/PLANTS/Crinum%20x...

From Marcelle's Crinums ..


Crinum x herbertii, Milk and Wine Crinum

Crosses between C. bulbispermum and C. scabrum typcially result in plants with nice flowers that hang downwards (like bells). The flowers have a pink or red stipe on white (or very pale pink) petals. The precise colors and other details depend upon the qualities of the parent plants.


http://marcellescrinums.com/html/crinum-species/crinum-x-her...
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utfootballdiva
Jun 22, 2013 7:23 PM CST
I hope that some of you that helped me identify my Crinum will see this. Here is another picture of the same plant. More of the blooms have opened for me this evening. Amazing!Thumb of 2013-06-23/utfootballdiva/878aa7
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