Containers forum: Sun or shade ??

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Name: Ginger
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gingin
Aug 11, 2013 11:34 AM CST
I have an antique canner (galvanized?) that actually has the insert. My mother was right proud of it. Over the years the bottom has rusted out so likely no $$ value. I have been thinking about turning it into a planter which would be outside 24/7/365 since no bottom. Do ya'll think it would do better (IE:hold up) in sun or shade ?? I would post a picture, but it is buried in the shed and I would rather someone was here with me just in case of nasty crawlies in there. Shrug! Blinking Wonder can I teach the dogs to dial 911 Green Grin! Whistling
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
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ge1836
Aug 11, 2013 11:58 AM CST
Is the insert like a basket that drops into the canner?
We had canners like that.
It seems you have a cylinder shape thats open on one end.
If it was mine I would use it in shade or part shade.
Just thinking the metal cylinder would heat up in full sun making the soil too warm for annuals and some perennials.

Maybe take out the insert and use a plastic pot liner.Find a plastic planter same diameter and just drop it in then you wouldnt be filling the canner with expensive potting soil,just the amount needed for the plastic insert.
Name: Ginger
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gingin
Aug 11, 2013 12:16 PM CST
Yes, the insert is a basket that would have held the jars. I would call mine an oval rather then cylinder and it has a lid on top. I was also thinking that it might get too hot in the sun...also in my part of Florida we do get down to freezing in winter...sometimes hard. Really want to put something in it that can live there ALL the time. Hostas maybe ??
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ge1836
Aug 11, 2013 12:20 PM CST
Is the canner Copper?
Name: Ginger
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gingin
Aug 11, 2013 12:24 PM CST
nope not copper...I wish. It is a silver metal which is why I guessed galvanized...kinda like an old wash tub. Need to try and dig it out...note to self...BANG on shed walls before entering Rolling my eyes. and wear gloves
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ge1836
Aug 11, 2013 1:01 PM CST
Thats scarry.Fraid of snakes?
Have you considered full sun and hardy succulents for your zone?
Name: Ginger
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gingin
Aug 11, 2013 4:20 PM CST
Not really fraid of snakes...love to see the oaks, blacks and rats in the yard, but not interested in meeting the rattlers or corals unexpectedly. Here is a "friend" of mine
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Aug 11, 2013 4:45 PM CST

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Hurray! Hurray! Oh my goodness. Ginger I love your friend. Lovey dubby
Please do knock loud and long before entering the inter sanctum of the shed. Blinking

I agree with Jo Ann, shade would be great for your hostas, or sun for the succulents. The plastic pot insert would help to reduce the heat from the metal container.
Can't wait to see photos.
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gingin
Aug 11, 2013 4:55 PM CST
"inter sanctum" Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing the "front sanctum" is where the gas cans live, but Bill was bad about putting things where he could reach...not me. My friend likes to scare me....if I had a penny for the times I've almost stepped on her/him. Picture was taken up close and personal...no long lens...I mean practically nose to nose. Well DUH...pic sayes it all Shrug!
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valleylynn
Aug 11, 2013 5:32 PM CST

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Awesome photo. Thumbs up Big Grin
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ge1836
Aug 12, 2013 2:43 AM CST
Thats what I need,a resident snake.
My cat is so old he just terrorizes the bunnies.They come back.
Snake would be a permanent solution.
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valleylynn
Aug 12, 2013 8:47 AM CST

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I don't know if my resident bull snake would allow another one in the garden. Sure could use some more though.
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webesemps
Aug 12, 2013 1:10 PM CST
gingin said:I would post a picture, but it is buried in the shed and I would rather someone was here with me just in case of nasty crawlies in there. Shrug! Blinking Wonder can I teach the dogs to dial 911 Green Grin! Whistling
...kinda like an old wash tub. Need to try and dig it out...note to self...BANG on shed walls before entering Rolling my eyes. and wear gloves


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purpleinopp
Aug 13, 2013 2:15 PM CST
Is the container something like these? I think wash tubs are/were galvanized? The Persian shield has come back for the past few years, Coleus re-added each spring. If you put Tradescantia zebrina at the base, you'd have a perennial combo, creeping around the sides.
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This one's on the other side of the house. Nothing perennial going on in there but some Oxalis crassipes bulbs (currently dormant, handy arrangement.) I like playing with it each spring, seeing how many things I can cram in and seeing what it can do before frost comes.
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If this was a general question about preference, I'd vote shade! I mean I'm about sick of any pot out in the sun at this point, to the point where I just don't want petunias if they are boring in a lump in the ground, or marigolds or dwarf zinnias or snapdragons if they are too short to see in an available ground spot. It's raining way too much, so now everything's crammed on the porch anyway, to avoid the bulk of the water. When the sun is blasting, it makes pots really hot down through the roots, so I think it's hard to find a happy medium. The rain has only added the element of trying to move pots at this point, the "baking too hot" thing's always been an issue. Love the look of pots on the porch steps, but the concrete get so hot one can't walk on them with bare feet. So you know the pot's dry, it feels lighter, so you water often, the soil is well-drained, but the plants still don't do as great.

After decades of watching potted plants do crappy in non-stop sun, whether I water them a lot or a little, I don't think I'm going to put myself through it next year. I'll still have a few of these pots, but I'm going to sit them in flower beds, where they'll stay a bit cooler, pots shaded by other plants, and the wicking action of contact with the ground makes for so much better drainage. Also not going for divas just because of some short-lived flowers, but more stalwart entities like Pentas, Angelonia and interesting fast-growing succulents that don't need large, bright to make a statement. Those don't have anything to offer hummingbirds anyway usually. The Cannas I put next to the steps should be "leaning up" all of the extra space anyway, and are enjoyable to hummers. Hmmph, so there! LOL, like a rant, but I'm really just babbling with a smile, enjoying every minute. If there was no such decisions to make each year, what in the world would there be to talk about? And if it always went great, new ideas would be much less... numerous and interesting.

Does anyone else have the general frustration with pots out in the sun (excess rain notwithstanding?) I think if I had something really big like a whiskey barrel, (but not metal as mentioned regarding the container that started this discussion,) it would probably do a lot better. Don't have a garden budget for something like that, but if something free (that's not too fugly) presents itself, I'd love to experiment. Metal gets too hot to touch out in the sun (remember the slide when you were a kid - OW!,) just like a black pot. You can feel it's much hotter than the already hot air. I think avoiding using such materials/pots when one knows it's going in full sun is probably prudent. Full sun doesn't mean 120-degree roots, unless you're talking desert plants, AFAIK it's overwhelming to a lot of plants. Then, if one has their heart set on something being in the sun, there's always a coat of paint, or surrounding with smaller pots, you know, a pot garden.


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gingin
Aug 14, 2013 3:50 PM CST
I will see about digging the canner out tomorrow and post a picture. The cowboy boots come to mind for footwear Hilarious! and pants with a pocket for the "snake charmer" Whistling and gloves which I really hate wearing...dirt NEEDS to get under the fingernails Rolling my eyes. but since I'll be digging in the shed instead of the ground gloves a must
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valleylynn
Aug 14, 2013 3:51 PM CST

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I vote for the gloves in this case. Thumbs up
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gingin
Aug 15, 2013 12:58 PM CST
OK as promised here is my canner
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purpleinopp
Aug 15, 2013 2:50 PM CST
I think it's fantastic! I would add it to my collection under a tree for sure. I think once you fill it, the bottom will be no more, so make sure you're sure, first, about where.

I might (ask DH to - his area of expertise) attach the lid cocked open, like the plants are 'boiling out' of it. Seems a shame not to use it for something. I'm drawing a blank on something else that could be done with the lid.

OK, that's not true, scrolled up again and if it was going to be under a tree, you could use fishing line to hang it a foot or two (or however high you want) above the pot, from a branch above. That would give the illusion the lid's being blown straight up from the explosion of plants, and just look kinda cute dangling/swaying there. I might hang it from both ends of the handle to keep it in mostly the right direction in relation to the pot below. Could block a lot of the rain that way though, don't know how you'd feel about that.
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valleylynn
Aug 15, 2013 7:24 PM CST

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Love those ideas Tiffany. And you could prop basket/tray beside it to use for a smaller variety of vining plant to grow on.
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Name: Ginger
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gingin
Aug 16, 2013 10:37 AM CST
HMMMM...definately food for thought Thumbs up
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