Permaculture forum: Chinese Tallow for hugel?

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Name: Misti
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Misti
Oct 6, 2013 7:39 PM CST
Have you (or anyone here) used Chinese tallow in a hugel? We are saving some from cleaning out an area around our pond to use for a small hugelkultur.



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hazelnut
Oct 7, 2013 6:21 AM CST
Misti: Oh Im glad I looked that up! I have some in my yard.

http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/node/399. Its an invasive and I think its the same as the locals call "popcorn tree". I plan to put mine in a new hugelkulture I am starting from small invasive trees I am cutting this fall. It doesn't seem to be poisonous--just invasive. I think making it into soil would be a good use for it.
Mine has an elephant-gray trunk about 8 to 9 inches that I was thinking about making into edging.
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dave
Oct 7, 2013 6:27 AM CST

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We have a lot of those in our bottomland, mostly along the edges where the forest meets the pasture. They are indeed invasive but I've never used them for anything. I do wonder how quickly they rot down. Being an invasive species and possibly a pioneer tree it might have quick rotting properties.

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hazelnut
Oct 7, 2013 7:16 AM CST
For one thing I know it is persistent. Last year I decided to girdle it hoping that would kill it. I cut through about 3/4 of the way on one side of the tree and then about 5 inches above that I cut through from the opposite direction about 3/4 through the diameter of the tree (not the way to girdle--you should remove the cambiam layer all the way around the tree). But this spring the tree seemed to be invigorated by the surgery I had done.
Name: Misti
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Misti
Oct 7, 2013 8:16 AM CST
Yes, they are very persistent! One of the first things we did when we moved in last summer was clear tallow trees from the pond edge, but not all of the stumps were removed. Of course they started resprouting and we're constantly battling them. RoundUp doesn't work, a harsher brush killer is needed but we haven't gone that far yet since we aren't keen to use many herbicides. Needless to say, we will likely always battle seedlings sprouting since the rest of the pond edge has tallow and unfortunately we don't own those properties to get in and work on cleaning them out.

I guess I'll let you know how tallow works when I get them installed.
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Horntoad
Oct 7, 2013 8:51 PM CST
Chinese Tallow is a soft, fast growing wood that I think would break down rather quickly. It does regrow from cut stump and would probably be a good candidate for coppicing.
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hazelnut
Oct 8, 2013 8:46 AM CST
On my search, I noticed that it is a tab rooted tree. As I remember the recommendation is to cut it as close to the ground as possible, and apply herbicide with a paint brush just to the cambiam ring--the area just inside the bark. This is minimal use of herbicide (glyphosate) but I understand your reluctance to use it especially in a pond area.

Some people cover a short stump with a food can if you can find a big enough diameter one.

I would try to damage the cambiam as much as possible, because that is where the energy comes for the plant to send up a new shoot.

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