Daylilies forum: Registration & Sculpted

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Jan 10, 2011 2:59 AM CST
There have been some major updates in registering daylilies.....

As a huge fan of all kinds of sculpting, I am glad to see that the hybridizers will now be able to choose from 3 different types of sculpting when registering their daylilies.

Since I did not want to get anything wrong by trying to consolidate the info here, Kevin Walek gave me permission to copy/paste his post to the robin here.

Thanks so much to Cubit member Char for her hard work on defining sculpts.

Kevin Walek said:Friends, but especially Hybridizers, (past, present, contemplating, and to become):

Santa has loaned the AHS Registration Committee some of his elves, and working with our Registration Committee Chairperson, Rebecca Board they have “hammered” out a gift for all of you, and in the long run for me too! As some of you know we have had some trials and tribulations with the online registration system, with the forms sometimes not coming through to me, the forms being too complex for simple name reservations, being unable to upload digital pictures efficiently, confusion as to whether you had to pay after each registration if you had 15 to do, or could you pay once for all 15 and the list goes on.

At the same time there has been discussion among many of you for the need to make the form clearer as to what was or was not required information (and avoid my nasty e-mails asking you for more information), and many of you hated having to re-enter your name and address at the top of every form. Well, those elves have pushed Rebecca to the breaking point to accomplish this by today as a Christmas present to all of you and thank goodness Santa sent re-enforcements as, due to some other registration issues (which I will get to below), we have even had a chance to test the new form with some who have never used the online system to some that used the old version just last week.

(One person who has already used the new online system saved 5 minutes per registration over 7 registrations for a total 35 minutes savings! Another that had never done it before said if it was this easy from the beginning they would have not done it any other way!)

Yes, the online system is all new and has been greatly improved to:
· collect registrant information first and then print it on all subsequent forms.
· check that required fields are present before the form will be submitted
· fill the form in with previously submitted values when errors are detected.
· attempt to lead people through the steps one at a time
· make it more clear that they can pay once at the end and not after each.
· let folks make a payment without submitting a form (in the cases where this makes sense)
· match the on-line form to the new paper form, including sculpting

And on that last point, The Registration committee, the Scientific Committee and the Informal Committee on Sculpting has been working overtime with each other the past few days to recognize, for registration purposes, the characteristics of sculpting that are appearing more and more often. It took until just yesterday to get terms that we were all satisfied with, that were clear, did not conflict with the way terms have been used in the past and which could have otherwise caused confusion. Thus, the new form has been changed to incorporate these Sculpted characteristics, that can be seen in daylilies such as Bas Relief, Nude Yoga, It’s a Beautiful Day, and many, many others – someone has estimated that there may be as many as 300 of them that could already fit.

This is important to accomplish as one the prime goals of registration is to provide the most accurate information possible, for archival purposes, such that the chance of incorrect plant material being sold under the wrong name is diminished, thus the information will allow more accurate descriptions of the cultivars being registered.

Now a little more about the online form and then I will close with a little more about sculpting and updating past registrations to acknowledge the sculpting in an existing cultivar.

Even with the new online form we beg, no I actually implore you to PLEASE, PLEASE resize those 6 and 8 megabyte photos, and in fact resize anything greater than 500 K down to the 100K to 250K range. If not and too many of you are sending them in at the same time the system will start doing nasty things to us. Thus, even when you use the online system to upload photos, please RESIZE them first. To steal a line from a video club and paraphrase it, “Please be kind and resize!”

If you are tired of watching “Holiday Inn”, “A Miracle on 34th Street” or “It’s a Wonderful Life”, for “Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus;” then take the new system out for a test drive. If you have nothing to enter, or no names to reserve, I will not get mad if for the next couple of days you “practice” using the system, but if you do take a test drive, PLEASE put TEST somewhere in the cultivar name, e.g., Santa’s Workshop – TEST or TEST Santa’s Workshop, or even just TEST.

Separate from this news, if you have any pictures that you would like to submit to use on the website for cultivars that you have registered and that currently have no pictures that come up in the database, even though you remember sending them in, in the past, for cultivars that were registered in 2009 or earlier, please send them to me as attachments to emails sent to as I would like to start catching these up.

BUT, PLEASE DO NOT SEND 2010 REGISTRATION PICTURES as I have about 500 of those to upload in the next week. So you might send me one that I already have if you send a 2010 or 2011.

For those that care about numbers, we registered 2228 daylilies in 2010, (and we already have 447 -- 2011s registered!) The total registered as of tonight, including the 2011s, is 67,936. So 2011 should be the year we cross the 70,000 mark! Especially if some of those unregistered daylilies I have seen advertised get registered.

Now briefly back to the issue of sculpted; if you go to the Daylily Registration section of the website and go to the Guidance and Instructions on “How to Register a Daylily,” there is a discussion, as part of the overall form that describes the sculpted category and the characteristics for a sculpted daylily. If you are unsure email me with a picture and I will help you determine which one it is, but I think most of you who are registering daylilies which are sculpted, you are familiar with the three categories, as that is what you have been working on as part of your programs. That is great for the new ones but what should you do for the old ones that qualify for sculpted but were registered before 2011.

(By the way, the Guidelines and Instructions for registering a daylily have also been revised by the Registration Elves to incorporate the most recent revisions to the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants, “ICNCP.)

The answer is partially at the website in the second paragraph of the “How to Register a Daylily,” page, which states:

“Finally, it should be noted that the AHS Registration process recognizes that the genetics of the daylily continue to evolve and the registration form now accommodates the existence of sculpting characteristics in the "Forms" section. As sculpting has been noted on daylilies prior to this recognition it may be necessary for hybridizers to revise their registrations to record the existence of sculpting in existing cultivars. Thus, there will be no charge to hybridizers updating existing registrations to memorialize the sculpting characteristic. This "moratorium" period for these charges will last until November 1, 2012. This moratorium applies only to hybridizer initiated changes related to sculpting only.”

So your first question is, how do I update my registrations for this” The answer is easy send me an email with then name(s); the category of sculpting; and a picture that clearly shows the sculpting so that I can confirm that it has the characteristic:


Bas Relief -- Relief
Kevin Walek – Cristated
Nude Yoga -- Pleated
It’s a Beautiful Day – Pleated

Merry Christmas from the Registration Committee and its elves

Your friend in daylilies

Kevin P. Walek

Here is a link to our earlier discussion on sculpted daylilies...

Some examples of sculpted daylilies.....

Curt Hanson's
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John Peat's
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Name: Betty
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Jan 10, 2011 10:51 AM CST
I've been trying to absorb all this and am not sure I really understand them. Here is the link for Tim Bell's new CORDUROY EYES. Is this pleating?
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Jan 10, 2011 12:07 PM CST

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From reading the AHS descriptions, Tim Bell's intro would be a sculpted relief form.

From the AHS website:

A Sculpted Form daylily has three-dimensional structural features involving or emanating from the throat, midrib or elsewhere on the petal surface. Sculpted forms belong to one of three different groups: Pleated, Cristated or Relief.

In the pleated group, petals that have a deep longitudinal crease on each side of the midrib. These creases cause folding of the petal upon itself creating a raised platform extending from the top of the perianth tube and ending between the throat and the petal tip.

This category refers to flowers having appendages of extra petal tissue growing from the midrib or elsewhere on the surface of the petals. When the extra tissue grows from the midribs, the form is called "Midrib Cristated". (Other Cristated forms have been referred to as "gothic" in The Daylily Journal.) Such Cristated Forms referred to by many as "Cresting" can occur on single and double daylilies, but by itself, does not make a daylily double.

Daylilies falling into this category are characterized by vertically raised ridges that extend from the throat and project from the petal surface. The ridges may grow parallel to the veins, or they may radiate outwards from each side of the midrib.
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Jan 10, 2011 3:59 PM CST
Thanks Sue -- that was really helpful! So I think everything I've been looking at is pretty much "relief" sculpting.
Name: Sunny
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Jan 10, 2011 4:07 PM CST
Not only can you register daylilies as sculpteds now, but if you go into the AHS database and go to the advanced search, you can look up all sculpteds. There are quite a few on there now, and there should be more all of the time as hybridizers start registering new cultivars and alsoas they resubmit those older daylilies that are sculpted, into the new updated form. How Cool !

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Jan 10, 2011 4:08 PM CST
I have company, so only have a minute.

The first two I posted are "pleated" and the last two are "relief"

Bee's Betty Sue would be an example of "cristated". And, perhaps Curt's Sigourney.

Name: Fred Manning
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Jan 10, 2011 4:35 PM CST
I wonder how far we are going with this hybridizing thing, daylilies are changing so much every year. I know of no other plant that has evolved so much in such a short period of time. Will we eventually exterminate it while trying to get another form or will the daylily finally get us in the end. Good information Sue"" Thumb of 2011-01-10/spunky1/1c87d4
Name: Sunny
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Jan 10, 2011 4:56 PM CST
I doubt it, Fred ;-)
The sky's the limit though. Colors, forms, edges, it's all pretty exciting. The thing I like about the sculpted look is the three dimensionalness that it adds.
Another example of cristated would be Texas Feathered Fancy. Oh, also a new 2011 by Paul Foster and Brian McCinlay called Tiki God.

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