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Jan 15, 2014 9:12 AM CST
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Name: Toni
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DirtDorphins - I doubt you'll get ugly fried blobs. I'm in the same zone as you and I don't usually get ugly fried blobs. Frozen blobs, indeed. Fried? Only for a few weeks in high summer because of my altitude (6000+ feet). But if I water appropriately, no fried blobs. Just me who's a fried blob.

And hipsters are annoying people who think "vintage" things are cool and are way better than anything modern. They're posers, fakers.

Here's a good video that I've found to be VERY true about hipsters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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Jan 15, 2014 10:34 AM CST
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My daughter thinks vintage things are cool, she collects mid-century modern (as in the mid-1950s, late 1960s) things. I wouldn't consider her annoying, fake or a poser. It's all relative.

Age group 50-65, all modern, I think.
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Jan 15, 2014 11:27 AM CST
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Calif_Sue said:My daughter thinks vintage things are cool, she collects mid-century modern (as in the mid-1950s, late 1960s) things.


I doubt she's a hipster. Hipsters usually collect things from the turn of the century. Steampunk comes to mind.
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Jan 15, 2014 3:04 PM CST
Name: Debra
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Hipsters are different from those who actually appreciate vintage things. IMHO, they are obsessed with being 'cool' no matter if they actually like that about which they are trying to be hip, and have no sense of humor about themselves or their activities. Sticking tongue out
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Jan 15, 2014 4:29 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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>>>>Just me who's a fried blob

Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Oh yeah ... I know that one.

I truly hate getting up early to water the roses during the summer months.

Hilarious! Hilarious!

Even with deep watering, some roses just are not ever happy here. I don't have any shade in this garden and that makes a huge difference in that my roses cannot be shaded during the hottest part of the day. The good thing is that it cools off at night, so the plants can bring water up to the top growth from the root zone during the night.

The great thing about growing roses is that if one rose isn't happy, there are several more that can be planted that might be happy. The only way you really know is to plant the rose.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Jan 15, 2014 8:30 PM CST
Name: Dirt
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oh dear,
Spent some not so quality time with utube and the urban dictionary, (me--not so familiar with all this people classification and bashing, but apparently it's a thing. Although I find it somewhat amusing, I don't find it compelling enough to engage in any further attempt to learn more about it. Frankly, I just do my own thing whether it's really cool or not--and offer everyone else the same luxury 'cuz it's no skin off my back), and I thought that perhaps, Toni, you may be confronted with "steampunk trainwrecks"
http://www.urbandictionary.com...
Hilarious! Shrug!
alright, enough of that

My thought was that the survey would find mostly modern roses simply because that is mostly what is available to purchase and grow and they 'work' well to serve as roses in a greatly expanded capacity.
For me, winter is always a sketchy factor and there is no guarantee on summer water --but I am happy with the ones I have and, so far, they seem happy enough too (got fingers crossed on the new ones planted last year in this, their first winter). At some point I will get some more. Maybe I'll try an OGR proper for my BF or maybe I'll just get whatever strikes me as something I want Whistling
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Jan 15, 2014 9:10 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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dirt ....

I agree with the first part of your post completely. I have never really cared if I was "cool" when it comes to roses ... Smiling I just want to grow what works.

What roses did you plant last year ?

Smiles,
Lyn
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Jan 15, 2014 9:38 PM CST
Name: Dirt
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Hi Lyn,
lemon meringue and zephirine drouhin
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Jan 15, 2014 10:20 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Hi ... back .. Smiling

Both climbers. I don't grow climbers because of the rose curculios, but I've read good things about both roses.

Good luck with your new roses.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Jan 15, 2014 10:42 PM CST
Name: Dirt
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uh oh...what are rose curculios???
yikes! I just googled them--oh nooooooo!!!!
I haven't seen any previously, but apparently the distribution is quite widespread and they should be here as well.
I take it they especially like climbers then?
Argh.
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Jan 15, 2014 11:46 PM CST
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Me personally, I'm of the idea that the reason why people are growing modern roses is because 1) that's what's available & 2) most gardeners like the look of the florist rose. Let's be honest. Most people can recognize a rose like Mr. Lincoln as a rose, but a lot of OGRs don't look like a florist rose, or are single bloomers and that's what most people want. They want roses that bloom constantly, smell wonderful, and look like they belong in a vase. And that's what modern roses offer us. It's a horrible shame that so many gorgeous roses are not available anywhere because they don't look "cool" or smell good. And I tried to explain to my DH that hipsters aren't going to be in a garden because they might get dirty. But, at the same time, as long as people are growing roses, who cares why their reasoning is, as long as they grow them!!
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Jan 15, 2014 11:51 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Rose curculios like roses. They really don't care what class of rose as long as it is a rose ... Smiling

The reason I don't grow climbers, and this is a personal choice, is that I dis-bud my roses during the curculio season to keep them from breeding in my garden and I don't want to climb up on a ladder to dis-bud a rose.

You can find the post about how I decided to dis-bud my roses as a control in this thread:

The thread "Rose Curculio or Rose Weevil" in Roses forum

I have never found this control method on any site when I did a Google search. All I know is that I have been doing it for years and it works.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Jan 15, 2014 11:53 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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>>>as long as people are growing roses, who cares why their reasoning is, as long as they grow them!!

I agree

Smiles,
Lyn
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Jan 16, 2014 12:08 AM CST
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I bought some OGR's years ago when I was living on a small budget. Chamblee's had put them on sale for $5 each on their website, so I ordered several of them. They frankly grew too large for my taste. When I later had enough money to buy the hybrid teas I love, I dug up the OGR's to make space for the newer roses. Just digging up Mutabilis alone gave me enough space for five hybrid teas.

Most of my remaining OGR's are planted on the front slope, where I never water, and way in the back of the garden, in the shade of a Black Walnut tree, where other roses prefer not to grow. They're really just space fillers in areas that are fairly undesirable for gardening. The one Knock Out rose I have is also growing under the Black Walnut.

As for the whole hipster thing, I know a few hipsters and I don't think they would grow OGR's or modern roses. They seem to grow only species plants, as if anything with a cultivar name is "not cool." Glare
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Jan 16, 2014 7:30 PM CST
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Thanks for the info link--I'll be watching for them and do...something...when they discover my roses.
My favorite part about that thread is that Lyn only has about 100 roses, and while I'm still trying to wrap my head around the 'only' there, along comes ZuZu with 2000!
SacredUngulate! I cannot imagine waging war against the anteater weevils with a smorgasbord like that!

Thank you for allowing me to participate and not only tolerating my ignorance but helping me to learn as well! You all may read that with a little bit of sarcasm as long as you accept the sincerity as well.
I only have several roses, or a few to those of you with hundreds and thousands, and I can actually count them. So I did, and realized that I didn't even remember the shrubbies in my percentage, which is now revised again at 14.3 OGR/80 modern/6.7 other, as if that even matters anymore.
My favorite is the one that survived the 10+yr abandoned house phase. It's 10', orange, bronzed foliage, hippy in the fall, and smells awesome. Love it! Whatever old-modern one it is.
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Jan 16, 2014 7:55 PM CST
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I could never disbud all of my roses to get rid of the weevils. For one thing, my once-blooming roses only bloom during the "weevil season," so I'd never see them bloom again if I were to disbud them every year. Besides, the weevils came from elsewhere to begin with, and they'll just do that again even if I break the breeding cycle by disbudding.

I'm almost an organic gardener by default because I never seem to have the time to apply the chemicals that are stored in my garage. I do use chemicals for pest control, however, and I have no qualms about spraying the weevils with Spectracide when I see them. It kills them on contact. If I run out of Spectracide, I spray them with Raid for Flying Insects. It takes a little longer to kill them, but the result is the same.
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Jan 16, 2014 7:57 PM CST
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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DirtDorphin - Can you post pictures? I'd love to know what your orange that smells wonderful & has survived 10 years of abandonment would be!! I'm always looking for roses like that for my zone.. and it took me a few minutes to translate SacredUngulate.. Holy Cow!! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing And I think that the reason why Lyn only has about a 100 or so is.. well, didn't you just move to your home in the foothills there in N. Cali? Zuzu's been in her home a while. I've been doing roses kinda sorta seriously now for 5 years and I'm over 300.
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Jan 16, 2014 8:31 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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I only have 25. Might add one or two more eventually, but my yard is very small and the space is maxed out for roses.
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Jan 16, 2014 10:13 PM CST
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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Guessing, because the laptop with my rose spreadsheet is not functioning right now, I would say I have 7 OGRs. That's 2.6%. The rest are mainly modern floribundas and shrub roses. I love the heritage aspect of OGRs, but they just don't earn the real estate they consume. More and more, I'm leaning towards roses that need no spray, little pruning, and give continuous bloom with SCENT!
I buy vintage furniture at times because the quality is superior, and the price is lower than new. While I'm very anti-GMO, I do buy newer seeds and plants instead of heritage because I do not want to fight insects and diseases, and in MOST cases the newer varieties are a real improvement. I refuse to eat any corn or commercial beef because of the GMO and chemicals. That's more of a health choice than a political statement.
I also had to check the urban dictionary to see what hipster is in today's slang. Hmmm. Described my daughters to a T. They are vegan, artsy, eschew tv, drive hybrids and ride bikes, live in culturally mixed areas. That's how they were raised! They also shop at Goodwill by choice because you can find some really cool clothes there for next to nothing. I see nothing phony about a trust-fund baby shopping at Goodwill. It's smart economics.
My middle daughter, in particular, has always felt "different" and out of place. She finally has found acceptance and friendship in a very hipsterish neighborhood in Colorado Springs. When she lived in Arizona, she had a horrible attitude about all the Republicans there. Now that she has relocated to a more open minded area, she's more accepting of others.
Back to the OGR roses....they are not carried in the stores here. People who are into roses enough to seek them out also know of the size issues. In a climate with significant dieback, and a season short enough that many plants are essentially once-bloomers, a rose that is a descendant of one from Versailles might be kinda cool!
Have any of you watched the profane and ridiculous you tube video of "Thrift Shop"? Kinda makes me sad for kids who listen to that kind of music...
Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Here's a parody from a guy near me in Kansas....you have to suffer through the first one to really understand some of the parody in this one. He has several song parody videos that have stunning scenery from Kansas. (yes, there is such a thing...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Take a look...especially any of you who have never been to kansas, or to a large ranch. Hurray!
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Jan 16, 2014 11:43 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
In a way I am grateful that I "only have 100 roses" because I garden on four levels and as I get older, that becomes a bigger challenge. There is no way I could manage 300 roses and I cannot conceive how Zuzu manages 2000.

The reason for having only 100 roses, is not because of the move, although that did play a role, but because I have limited space. I have deer fenced the roses the previous owner of my home planted out in front and can only plant on the house pad level in back. Half of my back yard is taken up by a steep, rocky slope. The back yard is protected from the deer, so that is my only planting area.

The reason I joined ATP is to learn about other plants. Since I have handled probably 800 to 1000 roses through volunteer work at nurseries and at public gardens, I decided that I have enough roses and it's time to expand my plant pallete and start a new learning curve. Oh, I may add a new rose now and then, if the one nursery down in the valley is carrying something budded that is on my want list, but it is not a high priority. (They are not carrying anything I want this year, so no new roses this year .. Smiling

Also, I've tried some hardwood propagation on a few roses I have in the garden this year, and it looks like I'll have about a 50% take. What I don't keep, I'll let my garden club sell at their fund raiser.

I am glad I could help with info about curculio control.

Smiles,
Lyn
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