Skiekitty said:DirtDorphin - Can you post pictures? I'd love to know what your orange that smells wonderful & has survived 10 years of abandonment would be!!

Sadly, not any good ones. Don't know why I haven't taken pics of it--I guess maybe I take it for granted or something. I'll try to get one this summer, but here is a crappy pic from a few years ago in July, ...before the pine tree blew down and ruined the shade garden . The red things are Dr. Huey--with a little water they really took off and turned into a once blooming hedge that ate the driveway. The tall orange thing to the left is the one. There is a lilac behind it up in the neighbor's yard (with that big catalpa) so it is a little deceptive--the rose is only as tall as the flowers.


Here is a pic from last year, it doesn't look very orange with the lighting in this pic, which is why I included the one above

(and there are two front and center huey invasions 'cuz I couldn't exactly remove the rootstock of the survivor...and now the smokebush-tree is trying to eat the house)

>>>>'cuz I couldn't exactly remove the rootstock of the survivor...

Are you saying you dug up the budded rose and got some Huey suckers included in the root ball ? I'm not clear about what you are saying.

Just a very wild guess based on what I can see of the habit and color in the photo, but a possible identification of the rose may be 'Tropicana'.

Kim Rupert identified my rose on one of his trips up here and said that it was one of the original 'Tropicana' s because the clone that has been on the market for the last few decades is a different color of orange than the original. Since 'Tropicana' was introduced in 1960 and my house was built in 1965, it's very possible because Mrs. J simply loved orange roses. Me, not so much.

@Skiekitty .... I know this rose can survive neglect. Mrs. J was in her 90s when I bought the house and the roses she planted were limping along. My plant is budded. With some rejuvenation pruning and normal rose care, the plant has come back to be one of the strongest and most vigorous roses in the garden.












Smiles,
Lyn

Sure--maybe it is Tropicana

Sorry I wasn't clear.
In a previous post I said that I had dug out all of the rootstock of the dead roses. Actually what I did was remove all the dead roses (basically broke them off the rootstock, unwittingly), planted some other things, watered, and accidentally grew a hedge of rootstock plus this orange rose. (same thing in the backyard minus the orange) Then I became disenchanted with the rootstock roses, so I dug out all of the rootstock that was not supporting a surviving graft. I did not dig up the orange rose. That is what I meant by "I couldn't exactly remove the rootstock of the survivor..." I do prune out the rootstock growth when I notice it. And I noticed some in the picture that I posted and felt frustrated.

Although I have planted several grafted HT since starting to garden here, my current mission to plant 'own-root' roses is to spare the future gardener the agony of chasing rootstock out from under other plants.

Dirt ... thanks for explaining. I have a hard time visualizing things at times.

The only way I know of to get rid of Dr. H suckers from a budded rose is to dig down to where the sucker starts and rip it out rather than to prune it out. Think of the sucker as kind of a branch on a tree. The growth of the branch starts inside the limb of the tree. Ripping out the sucker takes out all of the bud eyes of the sucker. When you just cut it off, those bud eyes are still there and can activate and create a new sucker.

Others may have a different way of handling the Dr. H suckers.

I am in a milder climate where I don't have any die back in the garden and I don't have to bury the bud union of my roses to protect them and I prefer budded roses for a few reasons. Some of the HTs I grow simply cannot make it without the additional vigor supplied by a root stock. For the moment, I am thinking of 'Henry Fonda' and 'Mint Julep'. Another reason is my age. I don't want to wait for an own root plant to catch up with a budded rose. Budded roses are already at least two years old when I plant them and they take off better in my lousy soil. Dr. H was the chosen root stock for a very good reason ... it is very good at growing roots ....

If your rose is 'Tropicana', you have a very solid rose. My rose is probably 50 years old and is still going strong.

Smiles,
Lyn

Thank you Lyn!
That makes a lot of sense. I'll chase 'em down and rip 'em out when they come up again

I am 66 and only grow modern roses. I tried some heirlooms. Not many but a few. Ha, those very quickly were booted out of the garden. However I do love to grow modern hybridized roses that are old rose look alikes. For instance I love Clements roses. I like it when I can find that thickly petaled old rose form on a modern rose.

Well, I am 50 (sigh). I am 98% D.Austin roses. So, modern it is...
Old roses are, well, old. Been there, done that, riped 'em out. I have about 40 varieties of DA's and I pretty much let them run amok in the gardens. Even they (DA's) are probably over rated but I like the flower and plant form. Though they look delicate, most are tough as nails.
It is not that I do not like old roses, in fact, I have a few- mostly Musks, that I allow to run up trees and such. I just think, like so many other plant species, the "heirloom" thing is over done. I did all that decades ago and realized our gardens would be pretty dull if not for all the outstanding breeding work that has been done over the many years.

I love it when all the "Hipsters" come into the garden center I work at...trying to "educate" me on the marvels of heirlooms. I have reached the point in my life that I haven't any problem telling them that it wont be long before they will be joining me in modern gardening (GASP!). The Hipsters tend to be in their early 30's around here.

Oh, and to heck with own root. Blah...poor performance overall.

Tim, the toughest roses I have are David Austins, too. (well, except for the monster climbers in back, but that's a whole 'nother story)

I'll be 47 in May and grow all modern roses, 'cause that's what the stores sell. Fun thread Toni

I'm 58 and grow moderns...mainly floribundas...because they do well here and my garden is very small. The summer humidity dictates what will do well and what won't for me. I've tried more DA's than I care to think about and was disappointed with all of them except Pat Austin.

Can't we just safely say that we grow the roses that do best given our locales ? We all have varying circumstances and weather conditions which are going to limit what roses will perform for us, right ? Throw in other obstacles like DEER and insects issues and that's a whole other story.

Not sure if being a "hipster"is a subculture or not...maybe it is...and if so,that's fine I guess. LOL
I'm in So. Calif. and lord knows we have enough "sub-cultures" here to satisfy anyone's interests...so consequently I refuse to categorize myself. I've never been the least bit "trendy" and never will be. I don't own an ipod, don't "do" Starbucks or shopping malls, and....wait for it.....I don't TEXT. Yes,I'm as L7 as they come. LOL

I, too, am rather L8 to the party...I had to 'google' L7

Me too.

@Calsurf73, Mike

>>>>Can't we just safely say that we grow the roses that do best given our locales ? We all have varying circumstances and weather conditions which are going to limit what roses will perform for us, right ? Throw in other obstacles like DEER and insects issues and that's a whole other story.

More than agree. It's just that since the 1950's, roses were marketed as if they would do well in any area of the country and in any climate. Then people thought roses were hard to grow because they were growing roses that were not suited to their climates. Roses are hard to grow if you are growing plants that are not suited to your climate. By "hard", I mean a whole lot more work to get a healthy plant.

I'd say it is only in the last decade that the concept that roses are regional and do better in some climates than others is being recognized as a reality. Conard-Pyle is now using that concept in their whole marketing program. I think others will follow their lead.

For the most part, ogrs, will not perform well in the micro-climates in my garden, so I don't bother with them. I was gifted with two Austins last year. They made it through a mild winter and I am curious to see how they will perform in my high summer temps. Both are pastel colors, which do work better for me, no matter what class of rose.

Smiles,
Lyn

Age 35-50. All OGR's. About 30 of them in total. The grafted modern tea roses freeze and die in 2-3 seasons max. here in my part of northern Michigan.

I am approaching my 74th, and I grow hardy roses such as Explorer roses so guess those are modern roses.

mabarberdo said:Age 35-50. All OGR's. About 30 of them in total. The grafted modern tea roses freeze and die in 2-3 seasons max. here in my part of northern Michigan.

Do you bury them super deep & mulch them? Granted, I probably don't get as much moisture as you do there and you have freezes that last a lot longer than mine do, but the "Minnesota Tip" should work for you if you're willing to put that much effort into it.

I am in the 35-50 age group. I grow all modern roses. Most of them came with the house but we did add a few, all modern.

I'm 35-50 and I love vintage things. Like Sue's daughter, I also love mid century furniture, especially Scandinavian things. I am starting to collect kitchen wares and appliances from companies BEFORE they relocated their factories to China. Not because they are chic, but because the are BETTER. I bought Bernina sewing machines and Cuisinart pots while they were still made in Europe. They are made much better than the same brands in stores today.

I choose roses based on their form, color and hardiness. I haven't had much success with hybrid teas, but I would love to have a few in a cutting garden. It will have to wait until I am settled in my new place and I have time to build a large enough raised bed to protect them. I like to grow roses that are survivors! Dead sticks in springtime are too depressing.

I have a couple of vintage roses (very old, but not sure if they are true antiques) - Veilchenblau (Rambler, Schmidt, 1909), Souvenir de la Malmaison (Bourbon, Beluze, 1843)), Gruss an Aachen (Hybrid Tea/Floribunda, Hinner, 1909), New Dawn (Climing rose, 1930) - and want to grow more! I also feel drawn so some of the single roses like Ballerina for their simple grace. I like modern roses with full forms like the Austin roses, the Romanticas and some Kordes roses. I am not likely to buy a rose the first year it is introduced. I wait for reports from other gardeners, especially ones in colder climates. My goal is a romantic cottage garden with lots of roses, clematis and flowering perennials.

I also want to grow more Buck roses and Kordes Fairy tale roses. I am interested to see what new roses Radner develops. So far, I grow Carefree Celebration. It isn't my favorite rose, but it is one that is most consistently in bloom. I don't like the color, form, lack of fragrance or prevalence of the knockouts, but I admire their hardiness. I think they are making rose growing more popular in climates such as mine. People are realizing that they can grow roses if they choose the right ones.

I am sure there are more hispters in Colorado, Portland and California than PA, but the trendy types around here are growing heirloom vegetables organically and shopping at Whole Foods. (They are unaware of Whole Foods stance on GMO labeling. Some don't know what GMO means. Very few trendy types of my acquaintance have backgrounds in the sciences.)

My late lunch break is over, back to digging up my barely alive sticks to be ready for the move. There is a single forsythia bloom on a rose up the street, the ones in my yard just have buds.