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Jan 26, 2014 5:43 PM CST
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Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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Over the years, I have acquired two different Artemisia plants. Both are used as an herb for medicinal purposes in Mexico.

The first photo ~ I believe to be Artemisia ludoviciana subsp. Mexicana also known as White Sagebrush.

In Mexico, it is known as Estefiata or Estefiate
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The second Artemisia was again acquired from Mexican medicinal culture. This one was called Ijanko or Ihanko.

You will notice the leaf structure is different. These are more delicate. Both plants have the telltale fragrance of Artemisia and both have similar uses for medicinal purposes.

The stems of both plants grow lengthy but the second one is more graceful, bowing outward from the center of the plant.




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Can anyone verify the ID on the first one and give me a clue on the second one?

The photos were taken today so the plants are not in their normal glory.
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Jan 27, 2014 11:09 AM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
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Jan 27, 2014 10:04 PM CST
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Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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Thank you for the suggestion and for sharing those links. You are a wealth of information. The foliage on the second plant certainly favors A. absinthium.

The only confusion is in your second link. The areas where it has been reported growing doesn't show the southern fringe of states yet this plant grows commonly in Mexico and for me in Texas.

I appreciate your assistance. I will dig deeper in that direction. Thanks again.
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Jan 28, 2014 12:51 AM CST

The first one certainly looks like Artemisia ludoviciana.

For the second, maybe Artemisia frigida?
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Jan 28, 2014 5:46 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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Thanks for those suggestions Livy. I will check them out and let you know what I think.

I am glad that you had a suggestion for the first Artemisia also. I am not totally sold on what I thought it was so it is nice to have it validated.

I realize it may be difficult to ID these as there are so many Artemisias and yet they are all so similar. Thanks again.
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Jan 28, 2014 6:31 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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Livy ~ I do believe you are correct on the first one as A. ludoviciana. In some reading I also found it listed with a common name as Estafiata which would be what I was told it was when I acquired it.

On the second, I am going to say it is not A. frigida. Sadly I don't have a good, full view photo of the plant. This plants' posture is tall all graceful. The branches splay out from a central base, more shrub like.

The first Artemesia sends out runners and pops up all over. The second one does not seem to have that same habit and although I haven't tried yet, I believe it would root easily from cuttings.

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Jan 28, 2014 9:48 AM CST
Name: Deb
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You may have better luck with your ID as the plants mature. Absinthe is a very large plant, both in girth and height. Mine gets about 3-4' tall and at least 3' wide. It does grow from a central base and tends to flop over onto its neighbors and into the pathway. Definitely needs some elbow room, but a lovely plant.
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Jan 28, 2014 6:13 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
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Doesn't Absinthe have a peculiar scent compared to other Wormwood species?

I guess flower & leaf are the best way to ID species.
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Feb 6, 2014 6:52 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
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I'm certainly not good at IDing but the first plant had bloomed with the most insignificant yellow flowers. And when I searched for blooms at the time, they all seemed the same.

I may be stepping off into it but have ordered some seed to plant a couple of different varieties to compare to these two. After all, I've read there are over 400 varieties of Artemisia... Whistling

Doesn't Absinthe have a peculiar scent compared to other Wormwood species?
Yes, I have read the same although I've not knowingly smelled it. These two Artemisia smell the same.

Deb, as you grow the true A. abinsthium have you noticed its' impact on surrounding plant growth? It was a topic of discussion over on the perennials forum The thread "artemisia" in Perennials forum
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Feb 6, 2014 9:14 AM CST
Name: Deb
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No, I have not noticed any significant impact from A. absinthium, although I will certainly keep my eye out for anything unusual. This will be its 3rd year in my herb garden, with close companions bronze fennel (Foeniculum vulgare), mugwort (A. lactiflora), blue vervain (Verbena hastata), gas plant (Dictamnus albus), with random garlic here and there. I do recall the dictamnus and mugwort having some problems late in the season last year, but it may have been simply water stress. I will monitor this more closely this season. All of these herbs are very hardy, perhaps the negative impact would be more pronounced on more tender plants.
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Feb 6, 2014 9:42 PM CST
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Name: Kristi
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Thanks for those observations. It is appreciated. Nice and eclectic variety of plants you have growing.
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Mar 6, 2014 9:08 PM CST
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I got curious, and looked up estafiate on Mexican websites. The consenus was that estafiate is known as Artemisia sp. or Artemisia vulgare

http://herbalsafety.utep.edu/f...
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Mar 7, 2014 7:05 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
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Thank you ~ Lavanda. I will look at those suggestions.

I have started seed for the common Mugwort in hopes of comparison. Also need to see how easy the second one is to root from cuttings.
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Mar 7, 2014 9:48 AM CST
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As far as I know, almost all artemisias are pretty easy. If you need me to look up stuff in spnish, just give me a holler.

I am interested in all things plants nodding /botanical, among the herbs and ancient plants, especially having to do with Mexico. ( which once included Texas as a province )
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Mar 8, 2014 6:53 AM CST
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Name: Kristi
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Thanks for the offer. That is appreciated. I am always fascinated by herbal medicinals and find many of the Hispanic vendors will have some interesting herbals that are out of the norm.
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Nov 22, 2021 5:36 PM CST
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Pod, What do you think this might be? I bought it as a. Ken, but I find no data on such plant. My plant looks like your first one. Comments please. Isn't this supposed to be an "enthusiastic" grower?
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Nov 22, 2021 6:23 PM CST
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Name: Kristi
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vossner said:Pod, What do you think this might be?
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I think it is lovely! Big Grin The foliage on yours appears to be fuller, perhaps more lush than either of mine. There are so many Artemisia varieties that I truly wouldn't know where to begin.

Odd to see this thread pop up. Just today I decided to try to root cuttings from the Artemisia in my second photo.

I will agree that these are reputed to be "enthusiastic" growers. I have been reticent about planting them in ground. The first one spreads by runners as I would guess they all will. Mine are both still in large containers as a result. Although they bloom every fall, I have never had seedlings sprout.

May I ask where you found your plant?
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Nov 22, 2021 9:22 PM CST
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Name: Kristi
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There is an Artemisia kemrudica. I have not located photos but wondered if Ken was meant to be Kem. Confused
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Nov 22, 2021 10:37 PM CST
Name: Zoƫ
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Interesting, Kristi. I couldn't find a photo either (didn't search too terribly long) but learned it's native to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

As noted, there are a LOT of Artemisias! When trying to ID them in the past, I've found online photos to be extremely inconsistent and confusing, which has lead me to believe some I thought I knew aren't what I thought. I usually like them...whatever they're named.
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