Aroids forum: Anthurium veitchii

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Name: mj
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mjsponies
Feb 28, 2014 10:31 AM CST
Ok...will I get seeds from these guys ? The rest of the "blooms" fell off months ago, but these two are still there. There are two plants in the basket and one on each plant.

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Name: Drew
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homer1958
Feb 28, 2014 2:17 PM CST
You have to have pollen from one inflorescence to place on the Ovules of another MJ. I would get a 10-15x mag. glass to know when to set the pollen. When it's time the ovules of an inflorescence will have a clear gelatinous liquid on each Ovule. You have to watch as anthesis on Anthuriums is a tricky thing to know unless you have a lot of experience. The pollen is gently rubbed on the Female Ovules and you then have the great chance of seeds developing on the ( what will hopefully be) Infructescence.
Name: mj
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mjsponies
Feb 28, 2014 2:47 PM CST
Thanks Drew !
Ok well these have been on the plants from back in July. I didn't do any pollinating. Was just wondering since the other inflorescenceshad dried up an fallen off it there was a chance that these had been pollinated by an insect since they don't seem to be drying up and falling off.
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homer1958
Mar 1, 2014 7:26 AM CST
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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Mar 1, 2014 7:56 AM CST

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I can't find a description of a ripe infructescence or berries. Folk are always writing about the promiscuous behavior of there Anthuriums mj. Maybe @LariAnn can weigh in.
Evan
Name: mj
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mjsponies
Mar 1, 2014 9:23 AM CST
Evan,
I googled also to see if I could find a pic of a ripe one. No luck. I did read where the female opens before the mail to prevent self pollination, which is what got me wondering since these were from two different plants and open at different times. Would have been fun to grow out but I'am thinking no seeds here.
Hopefully Lariann will chime in tho, would be nice to get a little more info.
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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Mar 1, 2014 10:08 AM CST

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mjsponies said:I did read where the female opens before the mail to prevent self pollination.

This would be interesting to track in the database. I wonder if in other Aroids the pollen dehisces before female anthesis. I've been trying to pollen daub Sauromatum venosum, for practice, but you have to be on your toes to collect the pollen at the right time and then wait for another inflorescence.

In the general Anthurium description CATE notes "...berries exserted when mature:..." which might be a clue confirming no fertilization. Anthurium description.
Evan
Name: Drew
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homer1958
Mar 1, 2014 9:33 PM CST
In Aroids, Female Anthesis on an inflorescence is first, followed by the Male pollen. Normally beetles of some sort or other insects, carry the pollen from a Male pollinated inflorescence to the Female Anthesis of another inflorescence. Am I understanding where you guys are going here?
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eclayne
Mar 1, 2014 11:10 PM CST

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That answers my question Drew, that all Aroids are the same in this.
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Name: mj
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mjsponies
Mar 2, 2014 6:15 AM CST
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Name: LariAnn Garner
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LariAnn
Mar 8, 2014 8:26 PM CST

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If you have more than one plant in bloom, you can have spontaneous pollination. It is true that the female anthesis precedes male anthesis, but this won't stop pollen from other Anthuriums from ending up on those receptive female blooms.

If you want to be sure of a cross or selfing, you have to bag the bloom so no other pollen can get to it - otherwise, you may end up with a real mix (assuming you do have other Anthuriums in bloom at the same time as your chosen bloom is receptive).

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Name: Drew
Piedmont N.C. (Zone 7b)
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homer1958
Mar 9, 2014 6:20 PM CST
Thank You! LariAnn.
Name: mj
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mjsponies
Mar 10, 2014 5:49 PM CST
LariAnn,
Thanks for the great info. Two plants grow in that basket so who knows. I'm not much at trying to hand pollinate. Good to know that they could do this on their own tho !
mj
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