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Name: Cindi
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Apr 5, 2014 6:14 AM CST
Does anyone grow this rose? I want to know what shade of red it is, and how sunfast. The descriptions say "velvety", but does that velvet blacken in the sun? Or fade out?
Red roses have a hard time in our heat. I've purchased several this year looking for a great true red that holds up, and I have great faith in anything that Ping Lim hybridizes.
So...I'm about to break my vow to never again buy from a certain nursery. They have a few I want, and shipping is free this weekend. *Blush* Whistling
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Apr 5, 2014 1:02 PM CST

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I've never seen this rose, but I did run into a few descriptions calling it a true red, with no orange or blue hues, so the color's probably the one you want.

I agree that Ping Lim's roses are superior in some respects. They're highly resistant to black spot, for one thing.
Name: Cindi
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Apr 6, 2014 12:23 PM CST
Thanks, Zuzu. I went ahead and ordered it.
This summer, I will do my best to post photos and comments on my plants. If a plant grows in Kansas conditions, that should be good news for people in other places. If I can report that red blossoms hold up, it's super good news.
Dublin Bay is about the only red I have that holds up to the heat and wind.
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Apr 7, 2014 1:20 PM CST
Cindi - Have you tried either Oklahoma or Europeana? Those two are two reds I have that stay RED. Not purpling like Mr. Lincoln or fading like K&M, but staying red from start to finish. And they're both hardy enough for me here, so they should be OK w/you there. What nursery did you order from that has free shipping? Green Grin!
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Apr 7, 2014 7:02 PM CST
yeah I have both Oklahoma and Europeana, and Olympiad and Chrysler Imperial too, and they all turn purplish or fade.
Edmunds ran a weekend deal of free shipping on $50 order. Usually it takes 75, so not such a big deal really.
My big concern is when they'll ship. I swore off ordering from them ever again because, TWICE, they've shipped my order so late that the roses didn't have a chance to leaf out successfully in our heat and wind.
Go ahead and call me a fool for ordering again. I'm disappointed in myself and hoping it turns out ok.
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Apr 7, 2014 7:17 PM CST

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I once ordered Koko Loco in their last sale of the season and received it when the heat should have precluded any planting at all, but it turned out fine, so there's always a chance, Cindi.
Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Apr 7, 2014 9:03 PM CST
That's because it was in your care.
I'll put on my optimist hat and my hope button and we'll see. . Lovey dubby
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Skiekitty
Apr 7, 2014 9:17 PM CST
Zu - I can probably send you a dead stick, you'd plant it, and grow a redwood tree 50ft tall in about 45 days. That's the difference between living in paradise versus .. well, not paradise. LOLLL
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Apr 7, 2014 9:31 PM CST

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Please don't! Hilarious! The last rainstorm here caused a massive redwood in a neighbor's garden to fall across the power lines. We had no power for almost an entire day and no cable TV for two days.
Name: Cindi
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Apr 8, 2014 9:26 AM CST
One thing that always makes me shake my head is how careless homeowners are when it comes to selecting trees for their landscape. Since all new neighborhoods are blank slates, tree sales are a brisk business here. People get impatient for shade and mature landscaping, and they ask for the fastest growing trees possible. They end up with brittle trees that cost a fortune to remove 5 years later.
Our master gardeners and extension service works hard trying to get people to make better decisions, but they still go ahead and plant cottonwoods under electric lines. They curse the power companies for "butchering" trees when the companies proactively trim limbs away from lines, when I think they should be fined for causing outages. I had a neighbor who moved to Arizona because her child's allergies were too bad here. I asked her why on earth she let the wild cottonwoods grow in her yard and she didn't get it. A chainsaw might have cured the allergy issue, and it definitely would have helped mine!
I love looking at tall trees, but i sure don't want them near my house!
Rant over...........
Heading outdoors to plant the 4 trees I bought yesterday! Thumbs up
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Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Apr 8, 2014 10:26 AM CST
Cindi - I understand about cottonwoods.. I live in the "Cottonwood" subdivision of my city & there's the cotton-spewing cottonwoods EVERYWHERE. One HELL of a mess in the spring. BLEH. Hate it, but what can you do? In my back yard, a silver maple was planted. Great tree, grows super fast, provides tons of shade, snaps & shatters in every early snow storm & high-wind storm we get. Typical. That being said, I bought & planted an itty-bitty redbud yesterday.. "Oklahoma" cultivar. Depends on which site you look at, can get between 12-20ft, which is fine by me. But also depends on which site you look at if it's a zone 4, 5, 6, or 7!! Seriously? What trees did you get?

What all did you order from Edmunds? Did you get that Kashmir? And your Europeana purples? Mine stays pure red from start to finish.. huh. Don't have Chrysler Imperial or Olympiad. Actually, don't have many reds. Ooh, what about Firefighter? That's a beautiful red that stays red for me from start to finish, and smells heavenly, too! Showbiz? I don't have Showbiz 'cuz it doesn't have a scent.
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Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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Apr 8, 2014 11:11 AM CST
I've managed to kill 2 Firefighter roses. Not sure if it's the rose, or where I bought it, or the soil it's in, or the heat the last 2 summers.
My husband wanted to buy this place because in his words, it looked like a park. And he wanted to turn it into his private golf course/fishing pond/archery range. I looked at it and saw trees with massive damage from an ice storm two years prior. The field looked like a great native prairie to me, but nooooo, I'm mowing it. Unfortunately, the previous owners planted all the *wrong* trees, and didn't take out wild elms, cedars, cottonwoods and locust. The west side has a silver maple right up by the house, and we would take it out but it is mature and we don't want to lose the shade. The pine trees all were dying of pine wilt, so we removed those. Several massive cottonwoods have fallen over in the last 2 summers because of 8" rainfalls. We are leaving one dead cottonwood standing because so many critters nest or burrow in it. It won't hurt anything when it eventually falls.
The Bradford pears had split down the middle, as all do in our storms, so we replaced them with better ornamental pears.
The redbuds are near the end of their useful life, so I'm planting crabapples near them as replacements.
What I purchased yesterday is Green Giant arborvitae for a windbreak/privacy barrier out near the street. They do a decent job stopping the dust from rolling in from the street. Our Lowes had hemlock in stock which is hilarious. There is no way those trees can handle our heat and wind. Buyer beware!
I also planted a 'Royal Raindrops' crab, which is a gorgeous tree. It joins another RR in a group with a smoke tree and a shrubby plum and russet colored roses. There's some dark leafed tall sedums in there too, and a few Coral Drift roses.
Edmunds:
duplicates for me--
Glenda Marie, Sexy Rexy, Elegant Fairy Tale, Hannah Gordon, Tahitian Treasure
New to me: Kashmir, You're the One, Raspberry Kiss, Jump For Joy.
I saw Raspberry Kiss in California and it was unique and interesting. It was just too big to bring home.
The Boscobel I brought back from California isn't doing well, but luckily I found one locally.
You can tell I love the coral=-pinkish tones!
Oh I also bought a big coral bark Sango Kaku japanese maple that matches the brick on part of our house.
I've never seen one this big. It looks like it was overlooked when pruning time came around, so I have some work to do on it. I'll see if I can add a pic.

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Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
Apr 8, 2014 11:12 AM CST
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Apr 8, 2014 2:30 PM CST
Cindi - WOW. That is a gorgeous tree! I definitely wanna see it when it's fully leaved out.. that's gonna be one pretty pretty tree! I have a 3 year old Royal Raindrops crabapple and I think this will be the first year that it'll actually get to bloom in my yard. I bought it in full bloom, the 2nd year (last year) we got that late late late freezes over & over & over (winter would NOT let go!) and so none of my crabs bloomed, but this year everything's being patient so we'll probably get blossoms! Yay!! I know that even my Canadian Chokecherry's waiting, and that is usually an impatient tree.

Of your new roses, I had Hannah Gordon, but she didn't survive her first winter with me. Others I don't have, so I'll have to watch yours & see how yours do before I venture out. I'm being more & more cautious with what I'm buying because I'm running out of room! stinking dogs need *their* part of the yard, otherwise I'd have taken over most of that area too. And the west side of the house doesn't get enough sun (less than 4 hours) and the roses I've tried there never fared well, so I'm stuck with the east side of the house. I already have around 200ish roses on that side, so definitely starting to run out of space. I just need to see what survived & what didn't. That, and I do have my shipment from Palatine coming in an few weeks... end of the month! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
Apr 8, 2014 3:19 PM CST
Canada Red chokecherry is a fabulous tree that should be in more gardens. Mine has not leafed out, either, so you probably have a few weeks yet. The peach trees are holding off too. We're supposed to hit 80 tomorrow with this wind. How am I going to keep these new roses moist? Mulch just blows off.
I ordered the Hannah Gordon because mine has so little green on it. Maybe it is a real tender one? Probably should not have ordered this one if that is the case.
I kinda wish I had crowded my roses up by the house instead of spreading them all over the yard. THat's how they get neglected--I just don't notice problems in time. One big bed is over 300 feet from the house, from the nearest faucet, so I have to drag 3 100' hoses. Usually I leave the hoses in the grass and just mow over them. (don't tell my husband!) Yesterday I bought a new 120' hose to catch another bed that is way out. If I can get a neighbor to help, I might rent a trencher and bury pipe so that I just have to hook up the ends when I want to water. I can lay soaker hose or drip line through the beds. The plumber quoted me something like $2700 to put a spigot out in one bed and there's no way I can do that. I can replace a lot of hoses or rent a trencher for under $100. I'll see if I can use my phone to take a pic and post it. The flagpole bed has 60 or so roses. It's the farthest away. I do have roses on the far white fence and along the pond, but they rely on rain for water.
Remember that children, marriages, and flower gardens reflect the kind of care they get.
H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
Apr 8, 2014 3:26 PM CST
The flagpole in the distance has a rose bed around it.
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On the other side of our driveway are my Austin beds. They share space with day lilies and hardy hibiscus. For perspective, there's a distance of 5 acres from where I'm standing and the neighbor's house. There's a creek between us too.
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The white bags are plants I had to dig out when we replaced a sewer pipe.
Last, the rose bed on the east side. I keep mostly HT's there.

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That's my 10 year old lab in the picture. She's my snake hunter. She's pretty sure that we are really hunting when we go out to pull weeds, and she loves it. She is having a real hard time accepting our new cat.


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Name: Toni
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Apr 9, 2014 9:20 AM CST
Cindi - Wow.. I would LOVE to have a plot of land that big!!! You know what kind of trouble I could SOOO get myself into??? My little lot is so dwarfed..
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