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Nov 16, 2014 10:42 AM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
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Thanks, Tiffany......I didn't think so, but there are always things that I've not heard of yet....and nothing surprises me anymore...lol..I think this person had to be referring to drenches and sprays without knowing it.....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
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Nov 17, 2014 9:04 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- ๐ŸŒน (Zone 8b)
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It's good to gather info! I was shocked by some of the stuff added to the list in just the short time since I last investigated the matter.

Remember that old commercial, "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!" ? I hope this thing they're doing doesn't make her TOO mad...!
The golden rule: Do to others only that which you would have done to you.
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The only way to succeed is to try!
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Nov 17, 2014 9:47 AM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
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Well, they certainly seem to be fooling everyone else....I cannot understand those who keep voting down GMO labeling.....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
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Nov 17, 2014 1:02 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Someone just gave me this link. Very interesting article.
http://www.thehealthyhomeecono...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Nov 17, 2014 1:29 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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I sent that link on to a fellow celiac who is a friend of mine & immediately got this response:

(1) REBUTTAL from the Peterson Farm Bros
This blog has been traveling all over the Internet the last couple of days. Maybe you have seen it. Here is our official response (feel free to copy and paste text in the comment section of someone who has posted it):

"Spraying Roundup on wheat is extremely uncommon where we are from. I would guess the percentage of wheat harvested like this in Kansas (the top wheat producing state) is less than 1%. For this author to say it is "common practice" is ridiculous. (There are places where it is more common, check the comments below) In my entire life we've done that once and that was when the option was to spray one of our fields or lose the crop completely. Even then, it is illegal to harvest that soon after spraying, you have to give it several weeks and the spray will wear off, break down, and no longer be effective. On top of that, none of the spray gets on the seed anyway, and the amount sprayed is very miniscule (.2 gal/acre). I could go on and on about all the inaccuracies, but the bottom line is that articles like these are based on an agenda to remove modern, conventional agriculture that provides cheap, abundant food and replace it with organic, heavy labor driven food production that can only be afforded by the wealthy. If that's the direction certain people want to go, that's fine, but let's use facts and truth to make points, not blatant mistruths. There is room for both organic and conventional agriculture, but we should not be trying to get rid of either one, as only a select group of people can afford that. It is quite frustrating as a farmer to be accused of providing anything but safe and healthy food. If we knew that we weren't, we would change our methods." - Greg Peterson

Original blog post: http://www.thehealthyhomeecono...

(2) MY COMMENTS about all this?

A while back, the "healthy home economist" once wrote a blog article where she insisted that celiac disease could be "cured" if people just healed their leaky guts and drank bone broth, etc. She said they could eat fermented sourdough bread (gluten) again if they were healed. She only removed the article after being bombarded with people telling her that she was dispensing false information that could be dangerous. I can't find it anywhere on her blog now. She has an agenda (which is fine as long as she has evidence to support her claims) and she is not always science-based or fact-based. I view anything she says with a skeptical eye. I think the farmer's rebuttal makes more sense than her article. IMO

She also has written about the "18 cross reactive foods with gluten, including an inflammatory article about coffee acting gluten in people
with celiac. I don't think she researches anything, she just posts inflammatory articles.

(3)I liked this comment on the article itself by

Jeanmarie Todd November 17, 2014 at 2:48 am
Iโ€™m no fan of glyphosate or GMOs, but, you may have jumped the gun on this one. I read the Dr. Davis blogpost that the Keith Lewis quotation comes from. If you read the discussion in the comments section, it comes out that the practice of spraying glyphosate on wheat before harvesting is common in Manitoba, Canada, where Mr. Lewis used to raise wheat (he retired from that and raises hay). He confirmed that in a back-and-forth discussion with another commenter, who researched the situation in Kansas, which produced more wheat than all of Canada. The upshot is, at least as of 2012, no one in Kansas was doing this nor was there any reason to believe farmers there would do so because itโ€™s an added expense without, according to the other commenterโ€™s research, any benefit. (The situation may be different in Canada because of latitude.) Mr. Lewis then confirmed that he was from Manitoba and this practice was widespread there and, he thought, in North Dakota. Iโ€™m not sure how much wheat is produced in North Dakota; I havenโ€™t looked into that. But I encourage you to reread the discussion in the comments at the Wheat Belly blog that you linked to.
- See more at: http://www.thehealthyhomeecono...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Nov 17, 2014 1:53 PM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
I've just glanced at the info written above...mainly because I have Crohn's, my father had Crohn's, I suspect my son will have issues...I've only glanced at it because I don't know why, or what has changed, but I do know that I can't eat wheat / gluten and that's all I need to know at this point. Dr Mercola's site mentioned that testing done on frozen blood samples from Airforce Servicmen shows that gluten intolerance is 4 times more common now than in the 50's....so something has changed for sure. The gluten intolerance shows up in so many different ways and there are plenty of people who are affected by it and have no idea....and there are many who love their bread and will believe only what they want to believe....and, of course, those who deal in wheat and wheat products....they certainly are not going to be the ones to tell you that there is a problem with it.
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
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Nov 17, 2014 2:50 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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It IS true that both celiac disease as well as gluten intolerance are on the rise. The experts in the field are looking to environmental factors as being the cause but they still don't know *what* exactly.

I have not had time yet to check out the sources of the Healthy Home Economist's information but I intend to. I can say that this business of scaring celiacs & gluten intolerants with saying there are all these other foods that are "cross reactive" is bunk. If it were true, I wouldn't be sitting here typing this, I would be dead. As to coffee acting like gluten -- that too is bunk.

Bottom line, I posted the link for people to read & make their own decision as to how accurate it is. Do I personally believe that all farmers or *farm corporations* follow the rules on pesticides/fungicides/herbicides? No.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Nov 17, 2014 3:29 PM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
There are probably other substances...foods, enviromental factors, etc. that contribute to the overall ability to deal with the gluten or other physical problems, but for me just giving up gluten alone was enough to make me see where my main issue is. It helped that I already knew that Crohn's can be in herited and my father was finally diagnosed after years of misdiagnoses. I stuck with the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for a couple of years, following that closely and now find that I can cheat once in awhile, but my life will be GF...it won't go away....won't be 'cured'.....to believe that would encourage me to cheat more and more and not have good results...lol..I encourage anyone with physical problems to look up info on Celiac, Crohn's, etc. to see what the symptoms are and if there is a possibility that you are gluten intolerant. Medical tests aren't conclusive for most people and it's simple enough to give up gluten for 2-3 months to see what happens....you might be surprised.

In any case, GMO foods are not anything I want to eat...food is too important to my body....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
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Nov 17, 2014 6:25 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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I am so glad you figured it out Sherry! It's such a shame that people go years & years without knowing what the problem stems from. With celiac disease, it's an average of 8 years from the time one begins REALLY actively seeking a diagnosis before they finally get a doc who knows what they are doing & performs the *correct* tests and they get an official diagnosis. You are right about the tests. As far as celiac is concerned, the vast majority of docs do not even know that one MUST be actively eating a full gluten diet and NOT have had oral steroids for 2 months prior to testing or else there is a false negative.
Like you, the difference since I gave up gluten alone is like night & day. It's unimaginable unless you experience it for yourself.

I don't want to eat GMO foods either.

For those who can eat wheat...... the last I read which was within a couple/few months..... wheat is not *yet* GMO. From what I read, Monsanto wanted to introduce it some years ago but for some reason they decided not to.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Nov 17, 2014 6:44 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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I have no disease like that (that I know of...LOL), but I try to avoid GMO products as much as I can...very hard! With difficulty, I find the nonGMO cereals and sometimes they are gluten-free. Erewhon Supergrains Buckwheat & Hemp I buy when I am lucky, the health foods store is always running out. Bread is even harder. I like things made with ancient grains when I can find them. I order fiber bars from an internet site...they're marked nonGMO, but it doesn't say gluten-free or ancient grains.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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Nov 17, 2014 6:59 PM CST
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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if you do not feel better after giving up gluten, you might try avoiding all corn and corn products, and all soy and soy products. Corn and soy are most likely GMO. Corn and soy, along with grains, are big triggers for autoimmune disorders.
Here in Kansas, we see television ads for seed that is "roundup ready". Wheat is not GMO, and just like Peterson said in his comments, wheatfields do just fine without needing roundup. They also have no need to genetically modify wheat. Corn, on the other hand, has insect problems, and cornfields can be ruined due to weed infestation.
Personally, I am one of those who sacrifices on other goods so that I can afford to buy organic foods. I grow food and flowers and I raise bees, all organically, and yes it is very labor intensive.
Farmers are very frugal on use of chemicals mainly because more doesn't mean better, it just means more expenses. Homeowners are the worst at over applying chemicals, using them incorrectly, and not keeping accurate records or measuring properly.
I hope this helps.
Remember that children, marriages, and flower gardens reflect the kind of care they get.
H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
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Nov 17, 2014 7:24 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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I agree Cindy.

Linda, have you tried Quinoa? All of Ancient Harvest products are organic and non GMO. Many of them also happen to be gluten free.
http://ancientharvest.com

Linda, check these out. They make me swallow my tongue! All organic. You'll get plenty of fiber from these.
http://www.nuts.com/snacks/ene...

If anyone is interested Tmail me for a recipe for a bread recipe that is super, super easy..... so easy you nuke it for 90 seconds. Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! It's made in individual "cups". Quinoa flour, egg, sugar, baking powder, dash of salt, almond flour & flax meal.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Nov 17, 2014 9:16 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Cindi, you are so right about homeowners being the worst at over-application of chemicals. I live in Hillsborough County, FL (home to Tampa) and a few years ago they banned using any fertilizer with nitrogen during the rainy season. The stores don't even sell it during the summer. And there's really no reason to add fertilizer during the summer months because grass grows just fine according to how often my brother has to mow. Also, it rains so much the fertilizer ends up as runoff and goes into Tampa Bay where it contributes to algae blooms and such. I don't know why people always have a "more is better" attitude when it comes to chemicals. I mean, that's how people OD on prescription and OTC medications!

At least I get to connect with a lot of people where I volunteer at the butterfly exhibit at the Museum of Science and Industry. I can't tell you how many butterflies I've saved just by educating people that those caterpillars eating their parsley, dill, fennel, etc. are going to turn into Eastern Black Swallowtails. It's even better when I have one in the flight cage and I point to it. People are horrified to find out they've been killing butterflies. I just tell them to plant a few extra plants and move the cats over to one or two plants to eat. And if it gets too bad, bring them to the museum and we'll raise them! Talking to people about starting butterfly gardens always gives me the opportunity to warn people that they have to be extremely selective about what pesticides they use. At my house, we use stuff (triazicide, usually) on the lawn mostly to kill the fire ants, and I use a homemade soap spray to take down the wasps. Other than that, there's not really a need to go crazy. A lot of people want to raise Monarchs and I forewarn them that they will get aphids and they will get milkweed bugs. But aphids can be sprayed with a strong hose (look for caterpillars first!) and milkweed bugs prefer to eat the seedpods so cut your seedpods off!

One day we had a really bad aphid infestation on the milkweed in the flight cage. The Monarchs won't lay eggs if they plants are that bad so I was sitting there with a rag and a bucket of water, literally wiping the aphids off. And I just told people what I was doing and why. I just tell them if you want beneficial insects, you can't carpetbomb your yard!
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Nov 21, 2014 5:00 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
Organic Gardener Bookworm Enjoys or suffers hot summers Charter ATP Member Salvias Herbs
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Yes, quinoa is good as an ingredient of cold cereal, hot side dish or pasta! The snack in the url doesn't really have all that much fiber, considering my Gnu fiber bars have 12 g per bar! DH doesn't even need any laxatives anymore.

flaflwrgrl said: I agree Cindy.

Linda, have you tried Quinoa? All of Ancient Harvest products are organic and non GMO. Many of them also happen to be gluten free.
http://ancientharvest.com

Linda, check these out. They make me swallow my tongue! All organic. You'll get plenty of fiber from these.
http://www.nuts.com/snacks/ene...

If anyone is interested Tmail me for a recipe for a bread recipe that is super, super easy..... so easy you nuke it for 90 seconds. Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! It's made in individual "cups". Quinoa flour, egg, sugar, baking powder, dash of salt, almond flour & flax meal.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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Nov 21, 2014 5:22 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Hilarious! Hilarious! Thumbs up
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Nov 21, 2014 8:08 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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@CindiKS, Cindi and kylaluaz, Kyla ... Thank you for the links. I was wondering how I could find nurseries on line that sold plants that had not been treated with pesticides.

@mellielong, Melanie ... I do vote with my dollars. I totally refuse to purchase anything from the one nursery in our small town because I know the owner of nursery is unethical. There is only one nursery I trust down the mountain, but their growing season is different than mine and purchasing plants and holding them until it is the proper time to plant up here is tricky. I am thinking that buying plants online may be the best way to get plants for my garden.

I am wondering if nurseries outside of California have to treat their plants with pesticides before they can ship to California and if those plants would be a problem.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Nov 23, 2014 10:22 PM CST
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Name: Elfrieda
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Tiffany: " They won't say what they are spraying but say it's not Imidacloprid (although this is definitely FDA approved for use on food crops.)"
How can imidicloprid be approved by the FDA for spraying on food crops? I believe the label on the bottle specifically states that it shouldn't be used around citrus, for instance. Where is the common sense; these are chemists, intelligent people with all this information at their finger tips and they advocate spraying anything that moves, or grows. Angry Thumbs down I know, I know, I heard the same stories that without the sprays hey wouldn't be able to grow as much food.

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