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Aug 2, 2014 8:58 AM CST
Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
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One quick tip for buying on the LA (or anywhere), I always snag the auction picture when I win a plant (or from the web site when I buy one elsewhere) This goes in my archive and is only used to ID the plant when it blooms. If I ever do post that photo, it is always clearly identified as "seller's auction photo".

I have on occasion bought a plant that was not true to name. Every time I have contacted the seller they have made every effort to correct the problem.

To OP, I feel your pain. I have a beautiful flower that I received as a bonus. The seller said that they were going to register it as 'Phoenix Sunrise', but so far it has not been done. I received it in 2009. Sad
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Aug 2, 2014 9:08 AM CST
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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Very pretty plant, Laura. Nice name too.

I went outside to take a picture of my NOID yellow and wouldn't you know it, no blooms Angry

I am tempted to plant some of the seeds. With a yellow it is almost impossible to get a positive ID on a daylily.
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Aug 2, 2014 2:06 PM CST
Name: Pat
Near McIntosh, Florida (Zone 9a)
Natalie said:We were discussing name issues on another thread on here, and All-American daylilies came up. That is a company that you need to be very careful with. They sometimes put their own names on named and registered daylilies. I've got one myself. I do know that they sell some with the proper names, but I would never, ever, buy a daylily from them, just because they are unethical, in my opinion. I bought Dream Souffle, and it is beautiful. I found out later that there was no daylily that was registered with that name. That is because it's actually Dublin Elaine, which I found out from the other thread. Chaps my hide that they "stole" it and put their own name on it, and then had the nerve to trademark the name.

I just went to their site, and checked some of the ones that they have listed against the AHS database They have one with the name of Summer Valentine, and it isn't even close to the real Summer Valentine. There is also Lady Elizabeth, which on their site, is a white daylily. The database has one from 1948 that is a yellow. Lavender Vista, on their site, doesn't match the description of the registered one. Same with Plum Perfect, and Lady Lucille. A few have the correct names on them, but that doesn't make up for the others.


I'm glad you mentioned this, Natalie.
When I saw their web address on another thread, I went there and was checking out daylilies they had listed and found mis-naming to definitely be a problem.
When I first got really going on daylilies this year (although I've had a few older ones for years) I bought some packaged daylilies from big box stores and NONE of them thus far have proven to be what they are supposed to be.
(Since then, I've found LA and other daylily growers where I can buy legitimate plants)

So I do have a bunch of "unknowns" out there.
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Aug 2, 2014 2:44 PM CST
Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Pat, I do not believe that they are "mis-named" on their site. I truly believe that they have given the plants a name that they choose, regardless of the fact that they are registered already, with a different name. What they are doing is unethical. Why do it to begin with? For sales? They could easily sell them with the correct name, since they do sell some with the correct name. Why would they change the registered name and put a trademark on it? To me, that is theft. Makes no sense to me, and I will never buy another plant that is sold by them, even if it is the correct plant.
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Aug 2, 2014 4:16 PM CST
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unethical is exactly the right word for their practice. they have got to know what they are doing.
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Aug 2, 2014 4:45 PM CST
Name: Pat
Near McIntosh, Florida (Zone 9a)
Natalie said:Pat, I do not believe that they are "mis-named" on their site. I truly believe that they have given the plants a name that they choose, regardless of the fact that they are registered already, with a different name. What they are doing is unethical. Why do it to begin with? For sales? They could easily sell them with the correct name, since they do sell some with the correct name. Why would they change the registered name and put a trademark on it? To me, that is theft. Makes no sense to me, and I will never buy another plant that is sold by them, even if it is the correct plant.


When mine didn't turn out like the pictures, I figured maybe they had so many packages to fill and just stuck whatever was handy in them to fill them. (I've considered taking them back to Walmart...)

A Google search for "all american daylilies" turns up some recognizable companies carrying them.
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Aug 2, 2014 6:00 PM CST
Name: Julie C
Roanoke, VA (Zone 7a)
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To answer the question "unregistered daylilies with names," any daylily that is unregistered is using a name that may be taken by ANYONE ELSE at any time and used to register another cultivar, so it is an unprotected name. And - this next part is IMHO, the "All-American Council" is a panel of self -designated experts who have formulated a marketing strategy to sell old, inexpensive ( most could be obtained for $5.00 from daylily vendors) daylilies to those who are just beginning with daylilies and average gardeners for higher prices than they would command elsewhere by designating them as "All-American" or even changing the name. When this council first came into existence, a whole bunch of AHS hybridizers revolted against their practice and that year, many of them chose to register a cultivar with the prefix "All American" just to make a statement. You may remember Van Sellers 'All American Chief' that won the Stout Medal. It was one of those that Van registered in protest!

For any of you who are AHS members, I spoke at the last National Convention this past June on the issue of registration. This was driven in part by the fact that there seems to be much confusion among our members regarding the role AHS plays as the ICRA ( International Cultivar Registration Authority) as the official registering body for the genus hemerocallis. Members sometimes complain to us about various issue such as the content of hybridizers catalogs, groups such as the Council mentioned in earlier posts, or perhaps a person has bought a cultivar that they later learn is not registered and then complain to AHS about it. AHS has NO control over such issues. If you see a hybridizer advertising a daylily that you believe to be unregistered, question THEM about it rather than complain to AHS, and remember it is your choice whether to purchase or not.

If you are an AHS member and were unable to attend the convention, perhaps you will take a couple of minutes to read my President's Message in the upcoming Fall Daylily Journal ( release date Sept. 10) where the highlights of my comments are written in the message highlighting AHS's position on many areas to do with registration.

One comment that can be made right here, right now is this: AHS STRONGLY endorses that all hybridizers fully complete the registration process before they put their new introductions into commerce. This avoids confusing buyers who might not understand if they find out later that what is being sold is unregistered and is hence only a seedling with an unprotected name that might be put into commerce by someone else!

With best wishes,
Julie Covington, President
American Hemerocallis Society
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Aug 2, 2014 8:28 PM CST
Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
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Region: Alabama Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Thank you!
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Aug 2, 2014 8:31 PM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
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Thank You! too.
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Aug 3, 2014 1:14 PM CST
Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Thank You! Julie!

Going to the AHS to complain about a daylily that you bought is kind of like going to the DMV to complain about someone who sold you a car that broke down. Makes no sense.

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