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Name: Dan
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Dann_L
Feb 2, 2010 11:41 PM CST
Duh! I planted this sago in the wrong spot. Now I want to transplant it to my front yard. It measures about 6' across and 3 1/2' tall. I don'[t have any experience with sago's (or I wouldn't have planted it where I did in the first place) and have a few questions.

1. Do sago's of this size transplant well?
2. Is there anything I should do in advance to prep it for transplant shock?
3. I'll get as much of the root ball as I can, but how much will be enough?
4. What do you recommend I do to prep the soil in the new spot?
5. Anything else I should be asking?

Note: The trench is for the electrical service to the BBQ I'm building.

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rayman6422
Feb 4, 2010 9:43 AM CST
If you find out Dan let me know. I have a much smaller one tucked in a corner and I want to transplant it over by the pond.
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Aguane
Feb 4, 2010 9:59 AM CST
How did you get all of these smilies on your page, Dan?
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bsavage
Feb 4, 2010 7:05 PM CST
They are new, Susie! Dan, that is one beautiful sago! Do you have to move it?
Name: Dan
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Dann_L
Feb 4, 2010 10:24 PM CST
Yeah...I want to do it while I still can. It's obvious to us now that it will soon block a large portion of our view of the backyard from in the living room.
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Roadrunner
Feb 4, 2010 10:50 PM CST
My DD has a Sago in a pot...it was out side and the frost killed all the fonds,,,she brought it in the house and it has put out new fronds, and seems to like living indoors. J
Name: Dan
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Dann_L
Feb 4, 2010 11:01 PM CST
We have two of these that we planted 5 years ago. Back then they were in 8" pots and only a foot tall and slightly wider. Every summer when the sun reached them, Deb would cover them with shade cloth. And she made me cover them with blankets in the winter when there was a chance of freezing temps. Then year or two ago, we heard someone on a Saturday morning radio gardening program say to let them go and they will acclimate themselves and those precautions would no longer be necessary. That was about the same time I adopted a staunch "Survival of the Fittest" plant policy so I promptly bought into that!

The fronds burnt that summer and they got nipped by frost that winter. Now the weather doesn't bother them a bit. As you can see they are quite healthy.
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Roadrunner
Feb 5, 2010 8:45 AM CST
Hmmm I'll have to tell DD this. Thanks Smiling
Name: Dan
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Dann_L
Feb 12, 2010 9:45 PM CST
I Googled "How to transplant a Sago" and here's what I got.

Can I dig and move my Sago??
The answer is yes. One would preferably dig a very large rootball,
giving ample distance from the trunk. This would optimally be done
during the Spring or Summer. Care should be taken not to cut through
any sizeable roots (greater than one inch) or rot could set in. It is
also advised to remove a good portion of the leaves before attempting
to relocate the plant, especially if a smaller than desirable rootball
is unavoidable. Water it adequately after moving, making sure not to
over-water the plant. The Sago Palm is quite durable. As a nurseryman,
it is quite easy to reestablish plants that have had all of their
leaves and roots removed. But, common sense would lead you to avoid
damage to existing roots if possible.?
http://www.junglemusic.net/cycadadvice/cycads-sago-palm2.htm

On a lighter note:

Personally, I prefer the ?big guy? method:
?You want to move your palm or tree only once weather conditions are
warm and reliable, e.g. springtime is ideal or the sure rainy season
First, get a big guy with a strong sharp shovel

Have him cut down around the base of your palm or tree out about 12-15 inches
Now send the shovel down underneath the plant. Likely you'll need a
trench around the outside cut so the big guy can dig under the plant.
Try to dig beneath the root mass. Cutting some roots is OK

If you have a cycad like a sago palm, take a sharp knife and cut away
the babies sending the knife right along the outside of the mother
plant. Don't worry about hurting the mother plant

Replant the babies in similar sun/water conditions (where it is now)
until established and obviously growing ...then move them where you
want them. Many might die, but some will make it

After big guy #1 has cut your plant loose, get two more big guys to
pull out the plant ...maybe ropes or chains or maybe a truck to pull
Have your new hole ready. Fuss with the measurement so that it's not
too deep. Too deep = death. A bit higher (out of the ground) is OK but
try for perfection to match the old and new soil level exactly

After the plant is lowered into its new hole check your depth
measurement again. Adjust to perfection. Next fill the hole 90% with
water then wait for the water to sink in a little. As the water goes
down, add soil in small bunches and stomp it in well after every
addition of soil. You can use a wooden 2X4 or use your shoes/feet. If
needed, add more water as you go so all the soil is 100% wet
When you get to the top, all the soil will be wet and very firm
against roots of the plant. You may need or want to stake your palm.
NEVER use nails
Water a little daily to keep the soil moderately moist until
established again. If you do all this right, your plant should start
growing immediately and be happy

After your palm starts visibly growing in its new spot, fertilize per this page?
http://mgonline.com/fertilize.html
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Aguane
Feb 12, 2010 10:03 PM CST
I actually think I'd go to Summer Winds for a leisurely shopping excursion. OMG! Then stop off for a brewski.
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Name: Dan
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Dann_L
Feb 12, 2010 10:16 PM CST
Not familiar with Summer Winds but the brewski part sounds good.

I got to find some big guys to get started on moving the sago first though!
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Roadrunner
Feb 13, 2010 4:57 PM CST
I'm glad to have this info...I just watered my DD's Sago today...soon time to put it back outside? Jo
Name: Brenda
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bsavage
Feb 13, 2010 11:13 PM CST
Dan, I personally prefer the 'Big Guy' method as well...

Rolling my eyes.
Name: Dan
San Tan Valley, AZ
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Dann_L
Feb 14, 2010 4:41 PM CST
I don't mind physical labor but sometimes a person just has to be realistic about what their limitations are. :o)
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bsavage
Feb 15, 2010 11:18 PM CST
When I say 'big guy method', I mean hire some big guy... !
Name: Dan
San Tan Valley, AZ
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Dann_L
Mar 23, 2010 10:39 PM CST
The sago has a new home in the front yard now.
We dug a trench all the way around about 18" from the base of the plant and about 18" deep. Then we shoveled the dirt from underneath the plant until it was lose. Next we slid a tarp under the root ball and lifted it from the hole. When we did that the dirt crumbled away from the roots. That plant had a root system that would fit in a 5 gallon bucket. We didn't cut hardly any roots digging it out. I was surprised that after 5 years there wasn't a more extensive root system.
Anyway, we had prepared a large hole in the front yard for it beforehand. I put 2 cubic feet of potting soil mixed with some of the soil from the hole along with a handful of palm food back in the hole around the roots. Then I mixed up 4 gallons of water with some B1 and a tablespoon of Super Thrive for it. That's all I know to do for it, I hope it works!

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bsavage
Mar 24, 2010 3:13 PM CST
Good job, Dan! You sure are doing some heavy lifting there at the moment!
Name: Dan
San Tan Valley, AZ
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Dann_L
Mar 24, 2010 3:21 PM CST
I had 2 big guys do the lifting this time!
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bsavage
Mar 24, 2010 3:31 PM CST
Good, save that back!
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EileenAZ
Mar 24, 2010 5:53 PM CST
My next door neighbor at the old house gave me their potted sago when they moved to a retirement community. It's in a rotten oak barrel and really needs transplanting. It also throws out pups most of the time. We need to transplant it NOW- what are their preferred parameters? This one got half sun half shade for years, then we stuck it in a southern exposure so it gets more sun but still afternoon shade due to the patio.

If we have any pups I'll post that info here. I doubt we'll want to plant all of them

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