Post a reply

Avatar for Frillylily
May 7, 2014 2:20 PM CST
Missouri (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
I am also allergic to soy. I do not notice any symptoms when I eat it, but I tested allergic. I am allergic to peanuts and carry an epi-pen for that. Again have never had a reaction and had no idea I was allergic to any of this stuff before being tested. You should know that almost all fresh produce is waxed with a soy based product. This is to help slow the liquid from drying up out of the fruit so it stays good longer. You should wash (meaning *really* scrub these with hot water and soap) before eating or peeling. Apples, cucumbers and peppers come to mind right off. Also most newspaper ink is soy based so touching that and then touching your skin could make you itch. I am sure cosmetics have soy, most of them have corn, if that bothers you. Of course I can't tolerate the fragrance in most of these products anyway. Sad soy is another product similar to corn that is hidden in just about everything. Like corn I am sure it has a dozen fancy names and even after reading a label you still don't know what's in it! I have had to do a lot of research.
People get a strange look on their face when I tell them I am allergic to corn so I cannot drink soda. Really, what do people think soda is? Same with ice cream, it's corn. I read an ice cream label recently at Walmart that said "natural" on the front. The ingredients list corn syrup. Since when is corn syrup natural? I don't understand that.
Image
May 7, 2014 3:29 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Pat
Near McIntosh, Florida (Zone 9a)
Hemlady said:I believe I am allergic to soy and just about everything you buy has soy in it. If I eat it I get real itchy skin and rash.


Soy in the USA is not the same as that in other countries.

In fact, other countries stopped importing USA soy. I've also stopped using it.
Image
May 7, 2014 5:13 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
Since soy is one of the top 8 allergens, US law requires it to be clearly listed in the ingredients & there's no way to legally get around that by calling it some other name --- it has to declare soy. Included in the allergen law are wheat, milk, eggs, fish, shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts.
See:
http://www.fda.gov/food/guidan...

"FALCPA applies to both domestically manufactured and imported packaged foods that are subject to FDA regulation."
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Avatar for Frillylily
May 7, 2014 8:37 PM CST
Missouri (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
That is true, soy is labeled. I had forgotten about that. Corn is not labeled. I know there are groups pushing that though, so maybe someday it will be. I found out that laundry soap is made with corn as is the sticky on envelopes that you lick to seal it. So these products can be a threat even without being in food, depending on how it affects someone.

Pat it is my understanding that almost all of the soy grown in the US is GMO. Maybe that is why. I don't know about corn, or wheat but I bet it mostly is too. I wonder if that is why so many people are developing allergies and gluten intolerance ect. When I was little, I ate wheat and it didn't bother me, corn also. But now I cannot eat it. The corn and wheat are the worse for me.
Image
May 8, 2014 3:29 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Pat
Near McIntosh, Florida (Zone 9a)
Frillylily said:That is true, soy is labeled. I had forgotten about that. Corn is not labeled. I know there are groups pushing that though, so maybe someday it will be. I found out that laundry soap is made with corn as is the sticky on envelopes that you lick to seal it. So these products can be a threat even without being in food, depending on how it affects someone.

Pat it is my understanding that almost all of the soy grown in the US is GMO. Maybe that is why. I don't know about corn, or wheat but I bet it mostly is too. I wonder if that is why so many people are developing allergies and gluten intolerance ect. When I was little, I ate wheat and it didn't bother me, corn also. But now I cannot eat it. The corn and wheat are the worse for me.


Yes, it is because USA soy is GMO. I've stopped eating corn since there is no way of knowing what it is. (Maybe I'll grow some from heirloom seeds when I get done focusing on daylily seedlings)

Wheat has also been changed. It used to be "the staff of life" but is now discounted in many circles. I still eat bread, but I bake it myself from organic flour (or as "organic" as flour can be these days)
Immigrants brought wheat seeds from the Motherland to the USA; wonder if current wheat seeds resemble those original seeds?
Image
May 8, 2014 6:14 AM CST
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
Daylilies Hybridizer Irises Butterflies Charter ATP Member Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Birds Region: Michigan Vegetable Grower Hummingbirder Heucheras Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge)
Thanks for that info Frillylily. I didn't know about corn being in everything and I didn't know that most corn was GMO. Is that mean genetically altered???
Lighthouse Gardens
Avatar for Frillylily
May 8, 2014 6:17 AM CST
Missouri (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
GMO = genetically modified organism

yes genetically altered so that it is not the original. I will see if I can find a link for your that explains it a little. I am sure I would botch it up...
Avatar for Frillylily
May 8, 2014 6:29 AM CST
Missouri (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
http://www.nongmoproject.org/l...


There are a lot of issue regarding the GMO stuff, not just the food itself.
For one thing theoretically, by altering the genetic make up of the seed, the Monsanto companies can patent the seed, thereby "owning" the rights to it. So one could say that they own the world's food supply. This is a huge outfit that is buying out or rather forcing out many smaller companies. Alot of businesses simply cannot compete with that kind of money/power.
By genetically altering the plants, they can tolerate a much larger amount of pesticide, herbicide or whatever, so that the residual of that IN the food, increases. Therefore the consumer is at risk for eating the poisons in small amounts because they are absorbed into the food. I am sure there is more to all of it, and I botched it badly. but you get the general idea of it. Maybe others will have better links and can explain more detailed than me.
Image
May 8, 2014 7:11 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
I think you did a pretty good job of explaining it Frilly.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Image
May 8, 2014 5:31 PM CST
Name: Mary
My little patch of paradise (Zone 7b)
Gardening dilettante, that's me!
Plays in the sandbox Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Dog Lover Daylilies The WITWIT Badge
Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Bluebonnets Birds Region: Georgia Composter Garden Ideas: Master Level
I think she did, too. Also, when they can patent the seed, they can force farmers to buy it every year, instead of letting them store seedcorn, for instance. I've heard of things like that happening
Northwest Georgia Daylily Society
I'm going to retire and live off of my savings. Not sure what I'll do that second week.
My yard marches to the beat of a bohemian drummer...
Image
May 10, 2014 6:27 AM CST
Name: Steve
Millbury, MA (Zone 5b)
Photo Contest Winner 2018 Photo Contest Winner 2019
I think using Round Up Ready corn or soybeans or anything is an undesirable thing. Not because it's poisonous. It's not. It's because it destroys habitat for pollinators.

If you are going to discuss this issue in an adult manner, you have to use facts. Facts are not available in advocacy web sites like the ones referenced above. These groups cherry pick research that may or may not be good research to "prove" what they want to believe. Here's the Fact Sheet on Glyphosate. What we know about it, as a FACT, is that is has very low toxicity in mammals.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheet...

When you are looking for facts, do your research by using an advanced google search and screening for .edu web sites. You should be looking for information that is based on scientifically peer reviewed research. Obviously, this research should be independent from companies or from advocacy organizations that have a vested interest in the outcomes.

I defy anyone to find any factual scientific evidence that GMO foods (not round up sprayed ones) are any different than non-GMO foods. BT corn is just as safe as heirloom corn. This is a scientific fact. Most of the anti-GMO rhetoric is really an anti-technology rant that has no basis in provable facts. I defy anyone on this forum or others, to do their research properly with non-biased sites, and find any information that proves otherwise. It can't be done. The sky is not falling.

Having said that, I'm in favor of labeling. I don't see anything wrong with that. If people want to choose non-GMO stuff, knock yourself out. But GMO foods like BT corn have saved a lot of lives. The debate over GMO foods is a political one, not a scientific one. The science is clear.

"Pedro Sanchez, director and senior research scholar at the Agriculture and Food Security Center at the Earth Institute, is an enthusiastic proponent of GMOs. “The science is very clear,” he said. “There is nothing wrong with GM foods in terms of health effects or environmental effects. It is not a scientific issue, it’s a political one.”

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2...

Steve
Image
May 10, 2014 6:57 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
What caught my attention in that article:

"The FDA’s policy on GM foods is that they are “substantially equivalent” to conventionally produced foods. “Substantial equivalence” is a concept stressing that an assessment of a novel food, in particular a GM food, should demonstrate that the food is as safe as its traditional counterpart. The FDA does not have a mandatory process for assessing the safety of GM foods. Rather it relies on the biotech companies themselves to voluntarily test their products, which they do. While specific safety testing criteria aren’t spelled out, the companies must affirm that each new GM food they want to market is “not materially different in any respect relevant to food safety.” If it is, the FDA can stop it from going to market and the companies can be held liable for any harm to consumers."

and

"Sixty-four other countries around the world do require GMOs to be labeled, including the European Union, Japan, Russia, China, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Saudi Arabia and South Korea. The European Union has also banned the growing of GM crops."

The FDA relies on the biotech companies themselves to voluntarily test their products? Hmmmm ....

For that many countries to require GMO labeling, there must be a reason, right?

Whether it is political or not .... it IS BIG BUSINESS worth billions of dollars.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us.
Garden Rooms and Becky's Budget Garden
Avatar for Frillylily
May 10, 2014 10:28 AM CST
Missouri (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
That is like allowing a murderer to be his own judge at his trial.
Avatar for Frillylily
May 10, 2014 10:46 AM CST
Missouri (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
If anyone has the 2013 Baker's Creek Seed Catalog, there is a very interesting article on page 14 that is a must read for anyone interested in GMO.
According to the article, corn and cotton has been genetically engineered to produce a toxin that causes the stomachs of insects to burst when they eat the plant. The insects are developing a resistance to it, and now it is undetermined if it will even work. What does that do to people when it is ingested? Is that a study I am willing to trust when I feed my family? No way.

The article goes on to say that in 2011, an expert warned the USDA that scientists had discovered large amounts of a microscopic organism in Round-up crops. This was associated with plant disease and reproduction problems with livestock. Even though the USDA had this information, they totally ignored it, approved Round-up ready alfalfa and as the time of this catalog's publishing, still had not acknowledged the research.

The article covers several other topics as well and was reprinted from the Heirloom Gardener Magazine- summer 2012 issue.
Image
May 12, 2014 6:36 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I'm also in favor of mandatory labeling of genetically modified crops when the whole crop is what is eaten by humans. I think soybeans are the only example of that, although maybe papaya is an exception. The "Artic Apple" and farmed salmon are somewhere in the regulatory process.

Right now, most GM crops are fed to animals (corn and soy and alfalfa), or used to produce corn oil, high fructose corn syrup or beet sugar.

Almost every processed food you can buy has some corn oil, high fructose corn syrup or beet sugar.
Therefor, almost ALL processed food right now would have to have a "GMO ingredients" label.
Persoanlly, I would not label those! I would save those labels for the "GMO foods" now in the pipeline, like sweet corn for humans, non-browning apples, farmed salmon, and whatever else.
Almost everyone knows that almost all processed foods contain corn oil, high fructose corn syrup or beet sugar.
I think most people with concerns about GMOs used to produce food realize that beets and corn are mostly GMNO today.

Those three products, though they may be nutritionally empty of demonic, are practically chemically pure as normally produced. Certainly don't contain Bt toxin, or enzymes for RoundUp resistance, or residual RoundUp. The process of extracting them makes the source (GM or normal crops) almost irrelevant.

I wish we would save our indignation and votes for labeling "real" GMO foods that are mostly not commercial yet. When someone says that CURRENT GMO ingredients are “substantially equivalent” , they could substantiate that down to the molecule with gas chromatography and mass spectrometers. But that's bait-and-switch.

Beet sugar and high-fructose corn syrup could almost be sold as chemical reagents. As ingredients their medical danger is that they are empty calories, not the risk that the GM crop tey came from produced "different" beet sugar molecules or "different" fructose.

The medical danger (if any) will come from the genetically engineered foods where we eat the whole apple, or the whole salmon or whole papaya. THOSE are what I really, really wish would have mandated labeling.

Of course, no one would buy them (at first) unless they were half the price. I think "the plan" was for those foods to be marketed at full price even though they will be cheaper to produce or distribute. Call me cynical.

I personally think there is a lack of scientific evidence that food animals are suffering much if any bad effects from a diet that is 80% GMO , based on the few GMO crops that have been approved for animal feed (corn, soy and alfalfa are all I recall).

On the other hand, I would also say that it's almost impossible to "prove" that something has "no" effects - and I understand people wanting to see long-term studies done on humans. We only have that now for processed foods, but lacking the control group that does not eat pro3ecessed foods. If indeed organic-food-eaters have lots less obesity and diabetes, that would be a great data point to argue with! But we would still have to separate the effect of a HEALTHY diet vs. a processed food trash diet, to winnow out the effect of GMO ingredients.

Most of all, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and degree of cynicism - and they can choose to be cynical about agribusiness, governments, the media, and food safety activists. I don't even think most of us choose that, it's as if were born distrusting certain groups more than others, but that's the human condition.

I haven't heard any argument that seems strong yet for DIShonesty in labeling! And there sure are some strong feelings of "I WANT TO KNOW !!" in a lot of people, including many people who think that the GMOs we've seen so far seem "safe enough for them".

Just one thing: as several states pass mandatory GMO labeling laws, we are starting to acquire a mish-mash of conflicting and overlapping regulations. Soon that WILL make compliance expensive. We need one centralized set of GMO labeling laws, like at the national level.

I vote for making a big distinction between "this box has beet sugar that came from a GM beet" and "this GM salmon was farmed in sludge so dirty that it needed special genes to self-medicate just so it could survive long enough to harvest". Or "this fresh-LOOKING apple would have been bruising and brown and flaccid if it didn't have special enzymes keeping it attractive".

What I really wish they would use GE tools for is to create crops that can withstand marginal conditions like drought and heat and low-fertility. Things that matter to starving people in the Third World. &Use GE to cure hunger, not to increase "attractiveness" and "marketability".

The "First Generation" of genetic engineering tools were somewhat haphazard and slow to use, and they always dragged in some "alien" or transgenic genes (that was based on Agrobacterium's ability to infect the genome of plants using its plasmid). That dragged in all the DNA from the Agrobacterium's plasmid, plus the desired new genes, plus promoter 5regions and terminator regions and regulator sequences ... and inserted that entire mess into random locations on a random chromosome in the target plant. (That's why they need their own promoters and regulators, etc).

The "Second Generation" of GE tools include TALENS and CRISPR, but CRISPR is a big improvement over TALENS. Faster and cheaper, but most of all, much more precise and able to "edit" instead of "add". Plant geneticists can now modify very small regions of DNA in the plants OWN genes, chnaging as little as just one nucleotide, or editing one gene in a crop plant to match that same gene as expressed in a wild variety of the same species. They don't have to use transgenic DNA pasted in willy-nilly anymore.

That's good for under-funded labs and small country's research labs. They can work cheaper and faster to produce plants with less First World profitability, and more Third World relevance.

Before, it took a company as big and rich as Monsanto to fund a multi-year development of transgenic crops plus the multi-year certification process. They only did that for the Big Bucks. CRISPR lets small labs experiment with things that could save lives, not just save money.

There will probably be discussion over whether CRISPR-modified plants need as much field testing before release as the transgenic Agrobacterium GMOs did. My prediction is that Third World countries will start saving lives faster than the USA certifies them.
Image
May 12, 2014 7:04 PM CST
Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Dog Lover Daylilies Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Hummingbirder
Frogs and Toads Native Plants and Wildflowers Cottage Gardener Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Region: United States of America Xeriscape
I found out a week ago that our neighbor is growing some Round-up ready alfalfa this year. It's in a field that is far away from the rest of his alfalfa. He will be feeding this to his cattle, along with the non-GMO alfalfa. Not sure if he would ever be able to tell if his cattle react differently to it since it will be mixed with the other alfalfa. In the end though, it's probably going to be a rare thing that beef cattle aren't fed this stuff.

You must first create a username and login before you can reply to this thread.
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by mcash70 and is called "Queen Ann's Lace"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.