Lilies forum: William "Bill" Cramer Seedling

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Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
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mnorberry
May 25, 2014 11:25 AM CST
Back on November 17, 2011, I received a letter from Mr. Cramer. He enclosed some seeds that he labelled "Outfacing Pink Bicolor x Roten Kalif" I planted them the same day.

In his letter he mentioned that he received the bulb of Roten Kalif from Joe Nemmer. Cramer listed this as a Asiapet.

He is missed


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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
May 25, 2014 12:12 PM CST

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Mike, that one is very beautiful and unusual. I especially like the pink glow around the nectaries. We are more used to seeing this type of color combination in the upfacing lilies. Thanks for posting the photographs.
Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
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mnorberry
May 25, 2014 12:12 PM CST
Pioneer Pink x Perfect Pink (Asiatic) seeds planted on 4-03-2011

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Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Joebass
May 25, 2014 12:13 PM CST
Beautiful Mike! So is it safe to say that this particular hybrid would be AxTA?(the first one)
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Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
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mnorberry
May 25, 2014 7:05 PM CST
Before his death, Mr. Cramer sent me approx. 12 different crosses. Last year only one bloomed. So far this year two (which is posted above) bloomed. Hopefully other will bloom this year. In his last letter he stated because of his age and Heath he was not selling any more seeds and he enclosed several crosses. Later I read he had passed away.
Name: Tracey
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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magnolialover
May 25, 2014 8:56 PM CST

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Very, very special seeds you have been given. Mr. Cramer has some very special lily hybrids.
Tracey
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
May 25, 2014 11:10 PM CST

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It's always sad when we lose one of the old timers. Precious seeds indeed.
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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dellac
May 26, 2014 12:45 AM CST
mnorberry said:Back on November 17, 2011, I received a letter from Mr. Cramer. He enclosed some seeds that he labelled "Outfacing Pink Bicolor x Roten Kalif" I planted them the same day.

In his letter he mentioned that he received the bulb of Roten Kalif from Joe Nemmer. Cramer listed this as a Asiapet.

He is missed


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I'm in love Lovey dubby

Thanks so much for sharing this. What a wonderful legacy.

Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
May 26, 2014 3:51 AM CST
Great to see you back on board ,Mike. I was wondering where you had been ! Thumbs up How many variations did you get from Pioneer Pink x Perfect Pink?,as I got 4[absolutely beautiful!]
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Also if you want any seeds, All you have to do is say! Thumbs up
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Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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lovemyhouse
May 26, 2014 12:52 PM CST
I am sorry to not be familiar with Mr. Cramer, but that first set of photos show one outstanding flower. A fitting way to remember, I think. Smiling
If you don't ask, the answer is always 'no.'
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
May 27, 2014 3:08 AM CST
I spoke with Bill only once . A collected man , who went about calmly , doing what he loved. He had more or less bred his liliums to grow in almost pure 'Horse Manure'..These seeds are strong Thumbs up
lily freaks are not geeks!
Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
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mnorberry
May 27, 2014 10:57 AM CST
Checking my records, I received from Bill Cramer the following seeds and should have some blooms this year.

Back in Feb 18, 2011, I received the following seeds. Labelled
Pioneer Pink x Perfect Pink
Late Clear Pink x New White Brushmark
Calender Girl x Unknown Seedling
Darkside x Unknown Seedling
Darkside x Pink Reddish Brushmark
Yellow with maroon BM x New White BM
Darkside x Pink Brushmark with arial bulbils

11-17-11
Outfacing Pink Bicolor x Roten Kalif


MAINIAC
May 28, 2014 6:34 AM CST
Bill, was a friend of mine and I miss him so much. He was a good and generous man who loved lilies.
Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Region: California Seed Starter Ponds
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mnorberry
Jun 29, 2014 11:39 AM CST
Here is one of his seedling...
Darkside x pink with aerial bulbils. (So far no bulbils) new plant maybe bulbils next year.


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Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Service dogs: Angels with paws.
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lovemyhouse
Jun 29, 2014 11:46 AM CST
Great color. Thumbs up
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Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Jun 29, 2014 6:37 PM CST
I agree Thumbs up
Where are we going, and why am I in this hand-basket?
Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Region: California Seed Starter Ponds
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mnorberry
Jul 1, 2014 7:22 PM CST
Darkside x Purple Redish BM w/aerial bulbils (no bulbils found)

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I know this one has no yellow but it was labeled
Yellow with maroon Brushmark x new White BM


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Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Region: California Seed Starter Ponds
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mnorberry
Jul 3, 2014 7:13 PM CST
Late Clear Pink x New White Brushmark seedling

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Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Region: California Seed Starter Ponds
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mnorberry
Jul 5, 2015 5:00 PM CST
From seed bloomed today - Cramer Seedlings

Darkside x Pink BM

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Late Clear Pink BM x New White BM

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Yellow w/mooned BM x New White BM

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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
Forum moderator Hybridizer Region: Pacific Northwest Lilies Sempervivums Sedums
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pardalinum
Jul 5, 2015 5:13 PM CST

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Beautiful seedlings Mike! Refresh my memory, who is BM?

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