Back on November 17, 2011, I received a letter from Mr. Cramer. He enclosed some seeds that he labelled "Outfacing Pink Bicolor x Roten Kalif" I planted them the same day.

In his letter he mentioned that he received the bulb of Roten Kalif from Joe Nemmer. Cramer listed this as a Asiapet.

He is missed

Mike, that one is very beautiful and unusual. I especially like the pink glow around the nectaries. We are more used to seeing this type of color combination in the upfacing lilies. Thanks for posting the photographs.

Pioneer Pink x Perfect Pink (Asiatic) seeds planted on 4-03-2011

Beautiful Mike! So is it safe to say that this particular hybrid would be AxTA?(the first one)

Before his death, Mr. Cramer sent me approx. 12 different crosses. Last year only one bloomed. So far this year two (which is posted above) bloomed. Hopefully other will bloom this year. In his last letter he stated because of his age and Heath he was not selling any more seeds and he enclosed several crosses. Later I read he had passed away.

Very, very special seeds you have been given. Mr. Cramer has some very special lily hybrids.

It's always sad when we lose one of the old timers. Precious seeds indeed.

mnorberry said:Back on November 17, 2011, I received a letter from Mr. Cramer. He enclosed some seeds that he labelled "Outfacing Pink Bicolor x Roten Kalif" I planted them the same day.

In his letter he mentioned that he received the bulb of Roten Kalif from Joe Nemmer. Cramer listed this as a Asiapet.

He is missed

I'm in love

Thanks so much for sharing this. What a wonderful legacy.

Great to see you back on board ,Mike. I was wondering where you had been ! How many variations did you get from Pioneer Pink x Perfect Pink?,as I got 4[absolutely beautiful!]





Also if you want any seeds, All you have to do is say!

I am sorry to not be familiar with Mr. Cramer, but that first set of photos show one outstanding flower. A fitting way to remember, I think.

I spoke with Bill only once . A collected man , who went about calmly , doing what he loved. He had more or less bred his liliums to grow in almost pure 'Horse Manure'..These seeds are strong

Checking my records, I received from Bill Cramer the following seeds and should have some blooms this year.

Back in Feb 18, 2011, I received the following seeds. Labelled
Pioneer Pink x Perfect Pink
Late Clear Pink x New White Brushmark
Calender Girl x Unknown Seedling
Darkside x Unknown Seedling
Darkside x Pink Reddish Brushmark
Yellow with maroon BM x New White BM
Darkside x Pink Brushmark with arial bulbils

11-17-11
Outfacing Pink Bicolor x Roten Kalif

Bill, was a friend of mine and I miss him so much. He was a good and generous man who loved lilies.

Here is one of his seedling...
Darkside x pink with aerial bulbils. (So far no bulbils) new plant maybe bulbils next year.

Great color.

Darkside x Purple Redish BM w/aerial bulbils (no bulbils found)



I know this one has no yellow but it was labeled
Yellow with maroon Brushmark x new White BM

Late Clear Pink x New White Brushmark seedling

From seed bloomed today - Cramer Seedlings

Darkside x Pink BM



Late Clear Pink BM x New White BM



Yellow w/mooned BM x New White BM

Beautiful seedlings Mike! Refresh my memory, who is BM?