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crittergarden
Jun 5, 2014 7:29 AM CST
I am quite fearful about our future.
These pesticides are indiscriminate and are killing our pollinators.
They are also systemic, meaning they stay in the plant for a long time.
Commercial growers use them.
Flowering plants sold by Lowe's and Home Depot contain them.
EVEN THE PLANTS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP THE BEES are commercially grown with this poison that remains in the plant and will KILL the bees. Those who are not killed off immediately also take the pollen back to the babies.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/whats-poisoning-the-be...

http://livefreelivenatural.com/honeybee-death-rate-currently...
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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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flaflwrgrl
Jun 5, 2014 1:08 PM CST
Thank You! crittergarden. Crying Crying Crying Crying Sad for all mankind.
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crittergarden
Jun 5, 2014 1:09 PM CST
And the birds and the bees and every living creature.
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flaflwrgrl
Jun 5, 2014 1:25 PM CST
Well, yes. But the rich will be richer. Will they be happy? Do they understand their children & grandchildren will not live to old age? Do they care?
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
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crittergarden
Jun 5, 2014 1:27 PM CST
No they don't care. They expect to hoarde enough money so that their descendants can afford to relocate to the moon.
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flaflwrgrl
Jun 5, 2014 1:32 PM CST
My husband & I used to be beekeepers. We often talk of getting some hives again ~~~ just a few for honey production for us & just b/c we love the bees & love working with them & watching them do their thing, but every time we get close to deciding to get some we read something like this & wonder how we could possibly protect them.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
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crittergarden
Jun 5, 2014 2:47 PM CST
GET THEM - try to help. Plant all the wonderful SAFE food sources you can for them. Then educate your neighbors and pray the bees don't find something dangerous. I've never thought of beekeeping, but I am thinking of it now.

I saw no bees today. I walked to the store and passed clover, dandelions, no bees. No bees on my rhododendron either. I haven't seen a single bee with pollen on its legs this year. A few bumbles. And a few what I think are mason bees.
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quietyard
Jun 5, 2014 3:47 PM CST
Lots of active bees here Crittergarden. Thumbs up
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LindaTX8
Jun 5, 2014 6:32 PM CST
The moon wouldn't do them any good. No food is produced there! All the money or gold in the world would be worth nothing without enough oxygen or food..
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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crittergarden
Jun 6, 2014 6:13 AM CST
Oh they want to use a high tech solution biodome or something.

I am glad SOMEONE has bees. I am planting for them so hope to see some soon. But I think they may just be gone from this part of the city.
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Gleni
Jun 6, 2014 7:29 PM CST
I am going to get a native bee hive in spring. They are a bit exxy at $400 though.
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flaflwrgrl
Jun 6, 2014 7:43 PM CST
Ouch. But GOOD for YOU! Bees are tre' cool!
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BrendaVR
Jun 13, 2014 3:26 PM CST
Gleni said:I am going to get a native bee hive in spring. They are a bit exxy at $400 though.


Your likely thinking of Mason Bee or Blue Orchard Bee hives they sell commercially? 400 is an awful lot unless you have a whole orchard you need pollinated. O_o (Likely way to obvious but I gota say just in case: No honeybee is native to North America, they are all from Europe or Africa and such, brought over by settlers for the honey, so if you are getting a honey producing hive advertized as "native" your being duped big time. There are plenty of FERAL honeybees, but no "native" ones...and the fact our native bees are more efficient at pollinating most crops is another topic :P )

Our native bees are quite happy with free ones...maintenance is much easier and you do not have to sterilize them each year either. I cringe at 99% of the houses sold these days (to people who don't know or don't care to clean and maintain them) as they are nearly impossible to clean and will become disease and parasite factories...not helping the local population at all in the end.

I make them our of last years plant stems, of plants that have hollow stems....like the invasive Phragmities, just be sure not to take any seeds!!!!). Chop them into 6 to 9 inch lengths with a leaf joint at one end (it has a natural close there) bundle together and place in a spot that gets nice morning sun. Bees will fill it up before you know it. and having a natural product with a variate of hole sizes will allow multiple species to use it. Each native bee species is a different size and can only use a hole that "fits" her, so 'houses' with only one size hole will only host one species and here in eastern Canada we have OVER 500 species of native bees. For a home gardener a few bundles scattered throughout the yard is perfectly adequate to help the local bees. I love some of the new designs that are like bird houses without the front (like the one in the article below). Then just cycle them out each year and no parasite or disease build up. Yay. Put the bundles from last year in an "emerging chamber" (can be a box or a bucket or anything really) that has a hole for the emerging bees to go out of but hides the bundle itself so it is not reused, and make sure you have the new stem bundle out for them to use this year. Smiling

http://nativeplantwildlifegarden.com/how-to-build-simple-nes...

Also 70% of our native bees nest in the ground...only about 30% are cavity nesters.

A pic of one of my small bundles from a few years ago, had residents shortly after I put it out (you can tell from the mud closing the entrances, those are now full of eggs and will emerge as adults the next spring).

Thumb of 2014-06-13/BrendaVR/da7f41

As to the original topic: I totally agree, Neonicotianoids are some of the scariest things mass used right now....no excuse for the excessive use....
If we had no holes in our leaves we would have no butterflies!
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Gleni
Jun 13, 2014 5:02 PM CST
I like the ideas in the link. Thank you.
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flaflwrgrl
Jun 13, 2014 5:37 PM CST
@BrendaVR
Glen lives in Australia so he's not getting a hive in North America.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
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crittergarden
Jun 14, 2014 7:40 AM CST
@brendavr
I'm so glad you found this thread!
I am a rote beginner and I am so happy to have your input! I knew honeybees came with the pilgrims, but considered them "naturalized" - "native" was not the right term. Being in Australia, Gleni's bees are probably originally English, too. DO stick around and pitch in here!
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crittergarden
Jun 14, 2014 7:46 AM CST
@BrendaVR Would it be ok to put the old reeds with the eggs on the top of the compost pile, with a layer of plant matter not blocking the holes and positioned so the holes don't fill with rain, so that the reeds can just compost after the babies emerge?
SHOW ME YOUR CRITTERS! I have a critter page over at Cubits. http://cubits.org/crittergarden/thread/view/73275/
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Region: Australia Annuals Canning and food preservation Herbs Tropicals Foliage Fan
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Gleni
Jun 14, 2014 7:56 AM CST
Critter the European Bee is here but there are quite a few native stingless bees that have hives, one of which I will be buying when I am fabulously rich again. http://www.sugarbag.net/

They are very cute bees. This one is at my place on Hemerocallis Spacecoast Ruffles.

Thumb of 2014-04-26/Gleni/3255c4

We have reed bees here to I think.
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crittergarden
Jun 14, 2014 8:10 AM CST
Teeny bee!
It IS cute!
SHOW ME YOUR CRITTERS! I have a critter page over at Cubits. http://cubits.org/crittergarden/thread/view/73275/
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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flaflwrgrl
Jun 14, 2014 10:40 AM CST
That was quite interesting Glen. Thank you for posting that link. I always love learning new things. I hope you get your hive & you will have fun with it too.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
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