Thanks for the link

There are some really good links in this thread for color charts, all are now saved to refer back to when I need to mark color in my records for seedlings this summer. Thanks seed!

I noticed "vigor" has been added to the registration form although I couldn't seem to find an explanation for it. With check boxes ranging from very fast to very slow I would guess it refers to increase. Vigor to me leans more towards the health, an ability to grow well not just a rate of increase...I have some daylilies that are extremely vigorous, healthy, good growers and they can vary a lot in their amount of increase. Vigor and fertility, another one fairly new to the registration form, are not required to be filled out. There are other things you may want to note if you intend on introducing your new registration to help with your write up description, sunfast, how it opens in cool weather, if it opens early in the morning, if the pattern is consistent,substance, texture...anything you can note that makes your seedling special and a good garden plant.

I agree; vigor makes more sense as a reference to overall health, perhaps with increase and fertility as helpful, related sub-categories. It is so beneficial to illuminate and cluster separate aspects of the whole under a larger umbrella.

Some people look for fast increase to fill out their lots more quickly, and others prefer to maintain a smaller design space. Fertility, which may not seem like a priority for display-only home gardens, still impacts what will be available to everyone in the future. Overall health is important to all gardens, so sub-categories that could cover further specialization such as increase and fertility would seem to be of benefit to everyone.

http://www.daylilies.org/AHSfa...
In the FAQ section of AHS :What performance characteristics should I look for in a daylily?
Vigor and Stamina:
Well immediately I thought of heart rate, blood pressure and cholesterol measurements, along with the ability to run a long time on a treadmill while keeping a smile the entire time as twelve kids look on.
That was not exactly what they suggested it meant for a daylily,
Not being susceptible to diseases (that certainly makes sense) root rots and spring sickness
The ability to grow and multiply under good conditions sort of goes without explanation, but I was surprised that here they thew in not being invasive with underground rhizomes (roots I call runners).
Being easy to transplant without getting weak, wilting or dying with the ability to thrive and grow stronger each year.That certainly would be part of Vigor and Stamina (I guess surviving over the years could be considered stamina, I thought of it more as longevity than stamina.But how else would you measure the stamina of a daylily?
Especially when they exclude... the "runners"?

Yes, even just two general sub-divisions to overall health would round out and include many individual threads within them, for sure. Increase might cluster with root type, for example, and fertility would continue to have pod and pollen fertile options. Like a library, dictionary, or encyclopedia, those who seek useful information about daylily performance would have a much easier time finding and employing contributor's experience and wisdom to wide benefit.

Thank you, Becky, for starting this thread!

Glad you found that link, Seed. I was cooking dinner last night while on ATP and didn't have a chance to look much beyond the registration guidelines. That is what I would have thought vigor would refer to, not just rate of increase. Increase is so variable it would seem to be difficult to use any of the data recorded in a meaningful way. A cultivar that increases slow for me may increase like a rabbit for you and vice versa under good conditions.

Seedfork - Thanks for all the links and info.

Miss Mimie - You and I are both glad I started this thread topic! I am wanting to know all this advice and info because I do have intentions of naming and registering some of my seedlings. There is a lot to observe and record when you start seriously considering what makes a daylily worth registering. Some of the specifics had me a little confused, though. This forum group is awesome with their answers and help!

Char, Tina, Michelle and others - Y'all have brought up some great points! Thanks, too!

Maybe I haven't been growing daylilies long enough (about 5 years), but I can honestly say I've never grown or even seen an invasive daylily!!! Does anyone have one they consider invasive because of the underground rhizomes???

I know ditchlilies are supposed to be invasive, but here I had a few dozen and they all died after 2 years. Maybe too dry, too hot, and too sandy here for them?

Good questions, Becky. Like everything else about daylilies, there is really no static information on performance, color stability, bud count, you name it ... and to make things more challenging, we each define the terms, and what we experience of the daylily, in our own way. So, we pool information, triangulate it against growing conditions, and find a general path to follow.

For me, there are already some I would call invasive, but the next person might be most happy to have them in their yard. I've already dug up Sings the Blues and Trahlyta, potted for now so I can get some pollen from them before I give them away. Seductor is starting to go wild on me (sigh - just as I fell in love with it) and so is Pink Flirt - my goals just don't include fast increase. I don't know that they are spreading far and wide by rhizome, but going from 2 fans to 18 in one season looks invasive to me. And, so it goes.

Tina - I agree ... we each perceive the questions and answers differently. (Which is the main reason I wanted input.)

"Roses in Snow" grows fast and is very fertile ... but not 18 fans in one season! Yowza! I can't even imagine such growth. Do your fast growing daylilies also bloom continuously? I think the heat here slow mine down.

Mine were done blooming before the 100 degree weather hit, so I'm not sure if they were just done with normal season for them, or if approaching heat switched them off. And, I also think it is better to have general, conflicting, even changing information than none at all, so I hope others do mention cultivars that they define and experience as "invasive."

This summer I will be watching all fans, including seedlings, for how they handle heat dormancy. I've got over 20 scapes up but wonder how many, if any, I will actually see now that temps are ranging so high. Already, my two most prolific blooming cultivars have closed up shop for the time being - large buds seemingly frozen (or baked) in time...

I don't consider them to be invasive here if they stay in a clump, it's the ones that pop up two or three feet away from the main plant that I consider invasive. I planted some in my rose bed not knowing at the time what they were, they grew to about four feet and started popping up away from the spot they were planted in, I panicked and over reacted as I often do with such plants. I immediately dug them all up(out of the rose bed) and gave them away. I believe they were 'Flore Pleno'. I still have a lot of them (they look alike in most ways) but some have smaller blooms than others, some stay shorter, and only a few I have now get so tall as the ones in the Rose bed. Some have noticeably more yellow in the outer petals than others so I am not certain they are all the same. I also think I have some 'Kwanso', they only have the double set of petals, not triple, and they are smaller blooms. It seems the Flore Pleno forms the classic fan shape for a daylily, and my Kwanso just sprawl. My 'Crimson Pirate' seems to multiply like a rabbit, but so far it has stayed in a clump formation so I don't worry about it so far. 'My Path' also seems to multiply very fast, but it is forming a huge clump and for now I am liking that, always wanted some of those huge clumps and this is my first one, it is just getting ready to bloom.
'Flore Pleno'

Never grown 'Flore Pleno' or any of the others you mentioned. I don't worry about the daylilies that multiply well and form a clump, that is what they are suppose to do A few will send out a fan or two slightly away from the clump sometimes. I just dig it up and either plant it closer or dig it during bloom time when there are garden visitors and give it to someone. One that seems to send fans out more often than others is Black Falcon Ritual. I took an image of a small clump a few weeks ago when I moved it showing the traveling fan.

I just registered a daylily online and didn't recall seeing any questions about vigor or fertility, so I did some checking. While those questions ARE seen on the registration form in pdf. format, they are not on the online registration form. The vigor and fertility questions on the pdf. form do not require an answer, but are arbitrary.

Did you have any problem with the required photo? Can you show us a pic of the one you registered, and give us a name?

Not really a problem, but the photo I had wanted to use was too small, according to the specifications. I had to use a different, larger photo...one I like, but not my best shot of the flower. This is the one I wanted to use:



The one I had to use:



The daylily is named for my younger sister, but I don't believe names are to be given out until the registration is finalized.

I thought about that after I asked the name, I didn't know, but it makes sense. Yes I like the first picture much better also. Do you know what size the pics actually are? Were they taken with a camera or a cell phone? I know used to on the AHS site, they had larger photos now they have small ones and I don't like it nearly as well, so I normally now go to the ATP data base to get a larger photo.

The photos were taken with a digital camera. The AHS wants a digital image size between 100K and 250K. The first photo was smaller than I could use because I had cropped and resized it. (32K) I failed to save the original. The second photo, taken at a much earlier time on the day I took it, was just cropped. (115K) Since this daylily is not meant to be in circulation, I'm not too bummed out about the photo that will be used. The original photo does represent the bloom better, but the daylily is for family only.

judydu2
Thanks for the info.

Just got the paperwork back that the registration of H. 'Jacqueline Presslor" has been accepted. When the checklist is printed, it will "officially" be official, but it's a done deal.