Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Featured Sempervivum Week 8: 'Kramer's Spinrad'

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Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jun 29, 2014 1:28 PM CST
Hybridizer: Gustaaf Van Der Steen (Belgium, 1979)
Parentage: (S. ARACHNOIDEUM x S. 'Granat')

My Kramer's Spinrad is a lone member now in the semp bed. I have to check on it once in awhile to make sure it is doing OK. I think it misses its only chick which went to Seattle to stay with gg5. I find this Sempervivum hybrid interesting because of what I consider its unique look. I like the strong wavy-like strong leaves and the tightness of the rosette. On my specimen, the red coloring inching up from the bottom is showy in its own way. The fuzziness/hairy attributes just add to the eye-catching look of the plant.

Of course throughout the seasons and the different zones, this hybrid can take on many different looks. Here's some seasonal/zonal images that other ATP members have shared into the Sempervivum database:
Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum 'Kramer's Spinrad')

KS gives good seed...? Here's a quote from Kevin Vaughn regarding Kramer's Spinrad:
http://garden.org/thread/view_post/646857/

I purchased my specimen at Healdsburg Nursery. At the time they had a very tiny selection of semps. There was only one pot of Kramer's Spinrad and I snagged it. This spring it gave off only one offset and I cut it off and presented it to gg5. I hope his is doing OK in Seattle as I am keeping watch on the lone mother plant.

Feb. 2014 (pre-Spring) KS hen with its emerging chick
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April 2014 (Spring) KS hen right before plucking the chick to bring to Oregon for gg5
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Name: J.c. S.
Kansas (Zone 6b)
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StaticAsh
Jun 29, 2014 3:21 PM CST
Very cool Bev! Thumbs up
Good choice for semp of the week!
Name: Bob Rose
Youngstown, Ohio (Zone 5a)
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bobbydrose
Jun 29, 2014 5:29 PM CST
What happen to week 7 ???
Name: Julia
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springcolor
Jun 29, 2014 5:30 PM CST
Thumbs up That is a nice one. Hope it's not too lonely.
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Name: Julia
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springcolor
Jun 29, 2014 5:31 PM CST
The thread "Featured Sempervivum Week 7: Korspelsegietje" in Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum
Here you go.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 29, 2014 5:35 PM CST

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I agree
And I love all the information you added, including your person experience with this semp. Thumbs up

I added the parent information so it will link to the one know parent (S. 'Granat').
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goldfinch4
Jun 30, 2014 2:00 AM CST

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Good choice Bev. I hope your hen gives you some more chicks soon!
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Name: Patty
Washington State (Zone 8b)
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Patty
Jun 30, 2014 9:52 AM CST
Nice detailed post Bev!
gg5 ~ the pressures on! Don't lose that chick!!
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Name: J.c. S.
Kansas (Zone 6b)
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StaticAsh
Jun 30, 2014 10:17 AM CST
Uh oh! It's like PPAF x 10. No pressure, no pressure at all... Hilarious!
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Jun 30, 2014 11:04 AM CST
Bev,

Thanks for your details on the pedigree. I knew it was an arachnoideum hybrid but not the other parent.

The seedlings from it were VERY interesting. A couple are the largest cobweb types I have grown. Colors ranged from a clear green which produced bright pink stolons to some very deep reds with cobwebs. Only one lacked any cobwebbing although there were only 12 seedlings that came up from 'Kramer's Spinrad' X self. Often times the F1 arachnoideum hybrids are nearly sterile so i was lucky to obtain that many seeds. Last season I got good seed on 'Koko Flanel' and 'St. Cloud' from self pollinations. They are already producing tiny offsets from the seeds planted in March and showing some interesting colors. Can you wait until next spring to see them??

Kevin
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jun 30, 2014 2:50 PM CST
Kevin, thanks for sharing your findings from your experience of dabbling with Kramer's. What's a "clear green"?...no mottling or coloring other than a consistent green? We have no choice but to wait with bated breath for your unveiling of the latest semp parade...!! Thumbs up
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jun 30, 2014 2:53 PM CST
Patty said:Nice detailed post Bev!
gg5 ~ the pressures on! Don't lose that chick!!

StaticAsh said:Uh oh! It's like PPAF x 10. No pressure, no pressure at all... Hilarious!


Yeah, @gg5, Greg, how's is that precious chick doing up in the PNW????

and JC, what is PPAF?

Name: J.c. S.
Kansas (Zone 6b)
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StaticAsh
Jun 30, 2014 3:11 PM CST
Plant Patent Applied For - propagation prohibited; I always feel more pressure for some reason when trying to keep PPAF plants alive. Sticking tongue out
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jun 30, 2014 3:33 PM CST
Thank You! JC; I think you've (or someone else) have had to tell me this already...the grey cells have been exiting my body... Sad
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Jun 30, 2014 3:52 PM CST
Bev,

Yes clear greens have no anthocyanin or very little so it gives the green a more sparkling or clear color. Addition of anthocyanins causes the color to go olive or dull. The only anthocyanins present in this seedling are in the stolons and these are BRIGHT PINK. Quite a cutie. It is also big for a cobweb. One year from seed the rosettes are 4" across so good sized for a cobweb. Several of the siblings were bright shades of red and are even bigger. These are making me very happy as one of my goals is HUGE cobwebs and of course most are NOT. I'm hoping these seedlings are more fertile than 'Kramer's Spinrad' as i would like to keep increasing the size in these.

There are a couple of other larger cobwebs that are sending up blooms that I hope to use this season. Stay tuned. Same Bat time, same Bat channel..... OK I'm giving my age and childhood nonsense too!

Kevin


Name: J.c. S.
Kansas (Zone 6b)
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StaticAsh
Jun 30, 2014 4:21 PM CST
No prob Bev. Yeah I've said it once before, but you are totally given a pass because you've remembered some specific threads from looong ago that helped me. Thumbs up
It's impossible for one to remember all things at all times. Sticking tongue out
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jun 30, 2014 11:14 PM CST
JungleShadows said:Bev,

Stay tuned. Same Bat time, same Bat channel..... OK I'm giving my age and childhood nonsense too!

Kevin

Love the memories of being in front of the TV with my TV dinner...but just between you and me, Kevin...we are the same age this year come end of summer... Rolling my eyes. and definitely planning to stay tuned!! nodding
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jun 30, 2014 11:15 PM CST
JC: as gg5 would say, I tip my hat to you.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jul 1, 2014 11:45 PM CST
Bev you quote me very well!! Rolling on the floor laughing I tip my hat to you.

So my chick is doing okay...someone (bird I'm thinking) knocked it over a while ago, but you know semps...they're fine!!
I will take a photo after July 8th...if I remember Smiling
I did look at it today and it is looking healthy - no chicks yet, but a guy can dream can't he?? Whistling
Cheers to all! I tip my hat to you.
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling

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