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Cat
Jun 29, 2014 8:23 PM CST
This is one bloom on Bradley Bernard today. I didn't think it was Polymerous. Confused
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The other bloom right next to it only has 6 Petals/Sepals, I just went and double checked. The data base pic is one from earlier this week on the same plant. What's going on? Is it just some freak flower from the stress of being re- planted ?


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chalyse
Jun 29, 2014 9:12 PM CST
There's a great article by Leslie Mauck about Polys, where I think she describes an easy way to tell if a bloom is truly poly - that it will have extra stamens, at least. But, I'm still curious how we can describe and understand any daylily bloom that produces extra full-formed petals, not from stamens (like double) ... and I've had three cultivars that regularly produce such blossoms (Cosmopolitan, Purple de Oro, and Morrie Otte).

Here's the article: http://garden.org/ideas/view/LALAMBCHOP/1028/Give-It-a-Whorl...
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Cat
Jun 29, 2014 9:30 PM CST
Thanks Tina! I stared the article so I can go back and read it tomorrow when I have time. Really need to learn more about the subject anyway...
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chalyse
Jun 29, 2014 9:41 PM CST
Thumbs up Leslie and a growing number of hybridizers are really pioneering polymerous daylilies, so if you like what you saw in your own bloom (looked quite beautiful to me, whether formally a poly or resembling a poly), it maybe be a neat area of daylily types to explore further Group hug
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Jun 29, 2014 9:49 PM CST
Yes Tina I agree !
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Polymerous
Jun 29, 2014 10:11 PM CST
It is hard to tell from the picture, but what it looks like to me is an incomplete (and malformed) polymerous bloom.

If I am not mistaken, there are 7 stamen in there, with an 8th stamen converted into a full-length petaloid, but not a true, full petal. (This petaloid is at 11:30 in the picture.) So 3 petals, 1 large petaloid.

It also looks like there might be 4 sepals, but they are not symmetrically arranged (at 90 degree intervals).

In the old snail mail poly robins (that I used to belong to) we would call such a critter a "3 x 4 with petaloid" or something like that.

This past summer, I had one seedling (from attempted polymerous breeding) which had blooms that were similarly malformed. In the case of this particular bloom, you can clearly see that there are 5 sepals, 3 petals, 2 (?) petaloids (extra tissue that looks like petaloids as opposed to petals - it looks like there is an anther attached to the one at 7:30), and 6 stamen:

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Not exactly something that you want to see show up in your poly patch! Glare (This summer it is more behaved, in the sense of having symmetrical blooms. Alas, it is only low percentage polymerous, but I am waiting to see if it reblooms and what transpires then.)
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chalyse
Jun 29, 2014 10:16 PM CST
Coooooooool!! And really super pictures to illustrate Thumbs up
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Jun 29, 2014 10:24 PM CST
Yes it is Tina! I really need to study on this subject. Blinking I see I will be visiting the AHS web site for most of my reading this week. Hilarious!
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Cat
Jul 13, 2014 9:11 AM CST
Okay, well how often does this type of thing happen? Is it just because most of my Daylilies are newly planted this spring? I have had these two this week. Not sure what is up with them.


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Jul 13, 2014 9:55 AM CST
Seems like every year I get some poly bloom on random daylilies they are a lovely surprise always catching my eye. Tina I am also going to read the article thanks for the link.

This year I ordered Rambunctious Rosie from Judy Davisson because a percentage of the bloom are polys, first poly I have ever ordered. Love the huge size up to 11 1/2" the color and the wide chartreuse throat.
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Cat
Jul 13, 2014 10:47 AM CST
This is Dean Corey, I think it is a double bloom. I went out and took a couple more pics of it. It has double Stamen and pistil and stigma.


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tink3472
Jul 13, 2014 11:05 AM CST
Cat, your DEAN COREY is most likely a fused bloom. Since we have a lot of rain and water every day most of our daylilies will have some poly blooms every year.
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Jul 13, 2014 12:02 PM CST
Yes Michele, that is what I was talking about on Dean Corey. Couldn't remember the exact term. *Blush* You can tell it should have been two. It is really thick at the base where the bloom and stem meet. At least that explains it. Just didn't under stand why I was seeing so many weird things on (seems like) so many blooms. I tip my hat to you.

Had to add this just thought of it. If you pollinated this particular bloom, use the same pollen on both stigma, right?
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Jul 13, 2014 10:34 PM CST
Here in Iowa we have noticed a great many Poly's, malformed, and fused blooms. We have been wondering if it is from all the rain we had this spring after 2yrs of drought, or from the extremely cold and snowy winter we had. We have seen daylilies that have NEVER been a double trying to double on every flower that opens. Its crazy this year that is all that we can say.

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Jul 14, 2014 1:51 AM CST
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Jul 14, 2014 4:24 AM CST
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Jul 14, 2014 11:41 AM CST
Welcome! Cats! You will really like it here at ATP! Everyone is so helpful!! I didn't know all the rain would cause this issue. This is a great place to learn something new! Love It!
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REBEKAH'S GOTHIC SPIDER had a poly bloom today.
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