ShadyGreenThumb said: I wouldn't look at my tree and compare to yours, Ken @drdawg. It is a survivor, yes, but odd in the way it did it, I think? 8-10 years or so when it froze back to the ground, it was 4" in diameter. It died back and tried again then died back again in a hard winter. That is when I dug it up. The old base has it's second attempt at life that died. Who knows how large it might have been had it not started over. I still think it started over in an odd way, three separate shoots off the old base so in essence, I think it's a young tree, maybe 10 years old off a 20 year old base.