Daylilies forum: I need your opinions

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Name: Paula Shaw
Whittemore, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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petalsnsepals
Jul 7, 2014 6:49 AM CST
I am an amateur daylily hybridizer . This daylily is this first of my 2013 seedlings to bloom. It has nice branching. The height is good. Nice bloom size and shape. Good bud count but ugly color. Should I pitch it or work with it to improve color, if so what color should I use to get rid of the muddy color? Cross is Blueberry Lemonade X Pure and Simple
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Jul 7, 2014 6:52 AM CST
I have several seedlings that have all the attributes that I like but I wouldn't register them because they look too much like everything else on the market. If branching and bud count is good, I would use it as a bridge plant and see what else that plant could produce for you.
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Name: Paula Shaw
Whittemore, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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petalsnsepals
Jul 7, 2014 6:55 AM CST
Thanks Cindy
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Jul 7, 2014 7:07 AM CST
You are welcome Smiling Smiling
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Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
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admmad
Jul 7, 2014 9:37 AM CST
I would wait until your seedlings have bloomed for this year and then compare this seedling with others from the same cross or from similar crosses. Then choose the best seedlings from the entire year's crop. You might decide to keep 10% of the seedlings or 25% or 1% or whatever you feel you should keep. Then if it is still one of the keepers you might need to remind yourself what made you cross Blueberry Lemonade with Pure and Simple. In other words, what were you hoping to change and how.

As an imaginary example, perhaps I might like Blueberry Lemonade but want it to be taller (or shorter). Or perhaps I like it but want to put the eye pattern on an orange background rather than a yellow background, and so on. That might help me choose what I would cross the seedling with to get closer to my goal.

Daylily flower colours become "muddy" when the yellow-orange pigments (carotenoids) are increased in the presence of the purplish pigments (anthocyanins). 'Blueberry Lemonade' (BL) presumably has less of the yellow pigments while 'Pure and Simple' (PaS) has more. The seedling has an intermediate amount and presumably more than BL. At the same time the seedling would have less of the purplish pigments in the eyezone., but has gained some amount of them in the rest of the petal.

To make a 'muddy' colour clearer the suggestion is usually made to cross it with a 'clarifier'. Clarifying colours in daylilies are near-whites, some pale creams or very light yellows, light lavenders and perhaps some very light pinks. The idea is to reduce the average amount of the yellowish carotenoid pigments in the seedlings and thus reduce the muddying (brown) effect. If you cross the seedling with say a near-white then the base yellow colour of the petals should be lightened in the seedlings, as one might also expect the base anthocyanin colour of the petals to also lighten. If you cross the seedling with a near-white with an eyezone then the seedlings should have a darker eyezone but lighter base petal colour.

Because daylilies are outcrossing all the suggested results of crosses are guesses of the average results and the seedlings can vary enormously. We might not have guessed that a cross to PaS, which does not appear to have any anthocyanin pigments would produce seedlings with anthocyanin pigments outside of the eyezone, but it did. There can be many such surprises in daylily crosses.
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Name: Paula Shaw
Whittemore, Michigan (Zone 5a)
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petalsnsepals
Jul 7, 2014 11:09 AM CST
Good Info to know. Thanks
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Name: DancingGenes
Western WA (Zone 8b)
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DancingGenes
Jul 10, 2014 3:59 AM CST
Being that it's the first year bloom, it's very possible that next years bloom looks better....or .....worse LOL I had learned to wait for the second year bloom, if it's real ugly then toss it or use it's habits for breeding to improve the color. Apparently, the third year is the true bloom.
A True gardener will purchase a thousand plants before thinking of where to put them :P
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Jul 10, 2014 4:50 AM CST
I agree I have had some improve the second year and some get worse. I definitely wait 3 years myself.
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Frillylily
Jul 10, 2014 2:45 PM CST
well I guess ugly is in the eye of the beholder. I think it is pretty, there are brown dl registered.
Pumpkin Spice, Topgun Double Dribble, Brown Witch, Quilt Patch ect. I would cross it with a brown color ? I don't know a thing about hybridizing though Smiling
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Vegetable Grower Daylilies Hummingbirder Heucheras
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Hemlady
Jul 10, 2014 2:46 PM CST
I happen to like brown daylilies myself.
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