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So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 16, 2014 9:04 AM CST
I believe there may be some photos of Dietes grandiflora (??) in the D. iridioides entry. Dietes grandiflora was sold as D. iridioides for many years but it has brown markings on the inner tepals (D. iridioides does not). Ref: http://www.smgrowers.com/products/plants/plantdisplay.asp?pl...
This shows the flower of iridioides clearly:
http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-4...
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Jul 16, 2014 7:06 PM CST

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Usually, the best way to handle something like this is to contact the owner of the picture by Tmail and ask how certain they are of the ID.

If they agree that the ID is incorrect, it's a simple matter for them to propose that the image be moved to the proper place.

If they don't agree, or don't respond at all, you can then Tmail a database moderator (if it is in a moderated genus) or admin to sort it out.

So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 16, 2014 8:15 PM CST
Thank you, Kent. I am afraid, however, that this may be one of those cases where the plant was sold to the person as Dietes irioides. There are multiple references on the net about D. grandiflora being sold as D.irioides for many, many years. Looking at the entries in D. irioides, it looks like several of the photos from different sources are actually now considered to be D. grandiflora. Should I be contacting that many people for what appears to be more of a name change/update rather than "regular" mis-identified plants?
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Jul 16, 2014 9:59 PM CST

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Sure.

Aside from you, only three other members have uploaded pictures of Dietes iridioides to the database. It doesn't seem particularly onerous to request that you contact them first about moving the pictures. I have done this many times when I KNEW an image was incorrectly ID'ed. As long as it's done politely, there shouldn't be any problems.

I shouldn't speak for the other admins, but perhaps I can in this case. We are extremely reluctant to move a member's picture just because another member says it should be. If the owner of the picture agrees, they can easily request a move. If they don't agree, then the picture needs to be clearly and obviously wrong before I'd even think about moving it. The only time I've moved a picture without talking to the owner first was when we've had misspelled entries in the database and I had to move pictures to the correctly spelled entry so the misspelled one could be deleted.
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plantladylin
Jul 17, 2014 9:30 AM CST
If any of my photo's are at the incorrect database entry, I'm fine someone moving them to the correct location. The pic's I've uploaded for D. iridioides were taken at Washington Oaks Gardens/State Park in Palm Coast, Florida and I don't remember if they were labeled with that name or if someone else ID'd them for me ... so they could very well be D. grandiflora for all I know. Green Grin!
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So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 17, 2014 9:42 AM CST
Thank you, Lin. This is a really strange situation. I started researching Dietes iridioides when one of the many that I have bloomed for me and I realized that it looked different than the other ones. I initially thought that it was just a sport until I read more on the net. It appears that I, too, was sold several "Dietes irioides" over the years that are now considered to be D.grandiflora and at least (1) D. irioides that is still called D. irioides. Unfortunately, I am not comfortable with the idea of tree-mailing other members regarding the possible confusion in the identification (where would I begin? what do I say?). I guess I was hoping that this would be easier to resolve...
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Jul 17, 2014 10:39 AM CST

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All you need to do is send them a Tmail that says something like 'I was was looking at your lovely pictures of Dietes iridioides, I think they are actually of Dietes grandiflora because........ . If you agree, would you mind proposing that the pictures be moved to Dietes grandiflora? Or, if you don't have the time, may I do it?'

Almost every time, assuming you have good reasons, people will happily agree to move the pictures.

On the other hand (and this is why I'm being so difficult Smiling ), asking for pictures to be moved in a public forum such as this inspires a defensive reaction (completely understandable) in at least some people. Simply moving the pictures without saying anything at all to its owner often really ticks them off (also understandable). So, although it may not seem like it, the simplest way to resolve these situations really is to contact the owner(s) of the pictures directly.
So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 17, 2014 10:59 AM CST
I apologize. I most certainly have not meant to offend nor upset anyone - that would never be my intention. I have removed the one photo from my initial post but, if you would prefer, perhaps you could delete this thread in its entirety.
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dave
Jul 17, 2014 11:04 AM CST

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Nobody is upset or offended. Smiling
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plantladylin
Jul 17, 2014 12:55 PM CST
OldGardener,

No-one is upset or offended at all. I truly appreciate your research and information on these two Dietes! After reading your posts and comparing photo's in our database and reading and looking at other photo's on the internet I do believe my photo's belong to D. grandiflora, so I'm going to move them over to the correct entry right now.

Thank you so much ... it is folks like you who are helping to keep our database up to date and correct ... and your effort is much appreciated! Lovey dubby

Lin
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OldGardener
Jul 17, 2014 1:18 PM CST
Lin, thank you so much for the kind words. You are truly an angel.

When I read that posting a photo publicly could "inspire a defensive reaction", I was ill at the thought that I may have inadvertently hurt/upset/(?) someone. I had a photo questioned here a year or so ago, but I was relieved that an ATP member had caught the fact that I had been sent the wrong plant so... I never thought twice about referencing a photo in this thread.

Being that I am more of an introvert, I am not comfortable contacting the other members about the photos. So, I think I will just let this all be. But, I do want to thank you for being such a kind Angel

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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 17, 2014 1:36 PM CST

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OldGardener, instead of using this forum to question a photo ID or sending a personal tree-mail, it might be better to question the ID in a comment about the questionable photo.

Just click on the photo in question to enlarge it, then scroll down to "Post a comment about this photo," and express your concerns. That comment will end up in the Plant Photos Forum and the owner of the photo will automatically be alerted to the comment in his or her "Watched threads" messages. The forum is regularly watched by many knowledgeable members who may lend support to your comment. This can be particularly useful if you're questioning an image whose owner may no longer be active on the site.
So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 17, 2014 1:43 PM CST
Zuzu, you are terrific! Thank you so much for the recommendation. Currently, I have a "generalized" comment posted with Dietes iridioides. Do you think that this will suffice?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 17, 2014 1:50 PM CST

Plants Admin

Unfortunately, your comments about plants are rarely seen by others, unless people are looking for information about specific plants, but your comments about photos will end up front and center in the Plant Photos Forum and are likely to get an immediate response.
So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 17, 2014 2:10 PM CST
Zuzu, if I wrote the following comment attached to a photo:

"Could this possibly be Dietes grandiflora? According to San Marcos Growers, "This plant has been long grown as Dietes iridioides or D. vegeta in the nursery trade but is rightlyfully Dietes grandiflora. This can be determined by examing the flower tepals and style arms; Dietes grandiflora has brown markings on the inner tepals and dark violet style arms where Dietes iridioides lacks markings on the tepals other than the yellow spots on the outer tepals and has pale violet style arms. due to the brown markings" - ref: http://www.smgrowers.com/products/plants/plantdisplay.asp?st...

and the Queensland Government @ http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-4... " (photo of D.iridioides at the bottom of the page) as well as:
http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-4... - photo of D.grandiflora at the bottom of the page."

do you think that would be okay?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 17, 2014 2:16 PM CST

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Sure, that sounds great! It provides information supporting your argument and offers links to illustrate the differences. I do question the silly word "rightlyfully," but that's San Marcos' choice of terminology, not yours. Hilarious!
So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 17, 2014 2:23 PM CST
Yes, that is a good one Big Grin I also like "examing" Thumbs up
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 17, 2014 2:35 PM CST

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Big Grin
So Cal (Zone 10b)
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OldGardener
Jul 17, 2014 2:38 PM CST
Zuzu, I went ahead and posted on the other forum. Thank you, again, for the suggestion.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 17, 2014 2:41 PM CST

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Something's wrong with the links in your comment in the Plant Photos Forum. They work here, but they don't work over there, probably due to a copy-and-paste maneuver. You'll have to edit the post and re-enter the links.

The thread "Could this be D. grandiflora?" in Photo of Butterfly Iris (Dietes grandiflora)

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