Plant Database forum: Accepted names/synonyms

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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Jul 25, 2014 5:00 PM CST
@zuzu @marylyn I've been looking at Salvia aurea and Salvia africana, the accepted names on ATP, but can only find citations that suggest that these are the synonyms for Salvia africana-lutea and Salvia african-caerulea respectively. The Catologue of Life was the only citation I could find for S. aurea as accepted but it listed no synonyms. All other references I could see were contrary. Any suggestions I would appreciate very much.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jul 25, 2014 6:28 PM CST

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Leslie, in most cases we base our data on the latest information in the Catalogue of Life, particularly when this information comes from World of Plants or some other highly reliable source.

In the case of Salvia, however, the COL information on Salvia species comes mostly from ITIS, which is a respected source, but is highly limited and does not list all of the accepted species names. Accordingly, we used the data from The Plant List for our Salvia entries, except in those cases in which TPL data were nullified by information from ITIS and GRIN. In general, we avoid The Plant List, because it is a rather undiscriminating source and consequently contains much information (or, more properly, misinformation) that's obsolete or downright inaccurate.

The TPL listings for S. africana-lutea and S. africana-caerulea are contradicted by GRIN, which lists them as synonyms of S. aurea and S. africana. Furthermore, according to GRIN, they aren't even true synonyms. They're invalid names and are listed as synonyms only for the convenience of people looking for them. Here's the GRIN listing for Salvia africana-lutea, for instance. Please note that the GRIN information was updated in January 2014, whereas the last update of the information in The Plant List is dated March 2012 (and probably was always misinformation to boot).

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?407890
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Jul 25, 2014 7:14 PM CST
I see my mistake was serching for Salvia africana thinking that would bring up lutea and caerulea. However, your fuller explanation of your top down protocall, exeptions and all, will be helpfull to me in future. The hyphenation never seemed proper nomencature both these instances. Thanks for all that and more...in future. Rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 25, 2014 7:16 PM CST

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greene
Jul 25, 2014 7:37 PM CST
Wow, can that post by zuzu be made into a sticky!
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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Jul 25, 2014 8:08 PM CST
I've seen the sticky. Does that mean it will stay on top? It is very helpfull info for those who have witwit badges. nodding
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Jul 26, 2014 9:05 AM CST

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