Lilies forum: 'Pink Flavour' hybrid tiger lily

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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Jul 31, 2014 10:22 PM CST
I ordered bulb last year and this is what sprouted, its doesnt look too much like photos online, but it's definetly not pure tiger lily because ive tried hybridizing and seed pods are growing on it. http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/2014/06/26/keithp2012/d116e...
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Aug 1, 2014 11:26 AM CST

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Welcome! Hi Keith and welcome to ATP! I just spent a bit of time researching this one. Here is a photo of Pink Flavour. This is on the website of the company that named and registered this lily with the RHS Lily Register where it is described in detail.

http://www.lilycompany.nl/en/image-archife/lilium-pink-flavo...

Then there is another lily that is being sold as Pink Flavour that looks exactly like Iowa Rose:



Neither of these lilies look like your lily. Just offhand your lily looks similar to Tiger Babies or one of several similar lilies. Tiger Babies has a fraction of tiger lily (Lilium lancifolium) in it. Unfortunately sellers will call many lilies "tiger lilies". For example, Lilium Red Velvet becomes Red Tiger Lily. Lilium Sweet Surrender becomes White Tiger Lily. And apparently (actually I saw this while investigating...) Iowa Rose became Pink Flavour Tiger Lily. This makes it very confusing for gardeners, to say the least. As one of the moderators for the lily data base here, I go with what the Lily Register says, but I keep in mind that many older lilies have been taken and sold under new names.
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 1, 2014 12:03 PM CST
My lily has bulbils growing on it too.
Name: Nora
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HemNorth
Sep 4, 2016 1:59 AM CST
I was just submitting two photos into the Lily Database for Sweet Surrender, when I noticed this Pink Flavour thread.
A few weeks ago I wanted to submit a photo for Pink Flavour, that I got last year in a package of four varieties of Tiger Lilies, but I felt I couldn't, because my lilies hardly had spots, and didn't curve back as much as the Iowa Rose, that they were supposed to resemble. Upon looking at the website, that you provided, I found a match for my lily.

Now I'm still confused.Should I put my photo in with Iowa Rose, or request a new and separate lily entry called Pink Flavour. I shall try to enter three images here. The first one, that clearly shows the no spotting, isn't fit to be submitted. But what about the other two?

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I was so glad to see that website photo that seemed to more closely match mine. Please let me know what you think.
Thanks, HemNorth





Name: Joe
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Joebass
Sep 4, 2016 8:43 AM CST
Nora, I think with all do respect, that if you can't 100% ID it, don't put it in the database.
Name: Tracey
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magnolialover
Sep 4, 2016 9:34 AM CST

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The lily is not Iowa Rose. Iowa Rose has distinct spotting. If I was at all unsure about another cultivar, I would keep it out of the database as Joe mentioned. We try really hard to keep our database 100% accurate. It's a very pretty lily.
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Leftwood
Sep 4, 2016 3:17 PM CST
It is very pretty. Thumbs up
I wouldn't mind having that one in my garden, but I really don't care for Iowa Rose.....
Name: Rick R.
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Leftwood
Sep 12, 2016 6:35 PM CST
An excerpt from a past North Star Lily Society newsletter about the real Iowa Rose, hybridized by Dick Prochaska in Minnesota:

The parentage is a Lydia Cramer dark pink seedling pollen on Oregon Bulb Farms’ ‘Hallmark, ‘ and that cross got
‘White Prince’ pollen to make ‘Iowa Rose.’

But did you know that at its debut at a lily show, a sister seedling was seen as a more promising hybrid?
The sister seedling, a light pink lily, similar to the color of cotton candy, was also exhibited at the Arboretum
show in 1984. It won a blue ribbon as did ‘Iowa Rose’, which was also unnamed at this point. This lily attracted
more attention than ‘Iowa Rose.’

In his haste to show the new hybrids, Dick cut off too much of the stem, leaving only a couple inches of
leaves. This lily, which Marv Truhn, among others, urged Dick to register, did not come back the next year, much
to Dick’s dismay. If he were to do it again, he would have waited another year to increase the stock or scaled the
bulb, but hindsight is always 20/20.

Dick had better luck with ‘Iowa Rose.’ It was also cut in the same way for the show but it returned and
produced multiple stem bulblets which were used to increase the stock.

‘Iowa Rose’ was chosen the best downfacing seedling (1c) at the 1985 Iowa Society show in Des Moines.
His daughter Annette Wilson and her husband, Dale, took the seedling stem down to the show. Because of the
win at that show, Dick decided to name the lily ‘Iowa Rose.’
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Sep 12, 2016 7:02 PM CST

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Thanks for the history, Rick!
Name: Nora
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HemNorth
Sep 12, 2016 10:49 PM CST
Yes, Rick, that history was fascinating to me. I'm wondering if somehow a bulb from the sister seedling, the cotton candy pink one, in 1984, was taken to England or Holland. When I googled the Lily 'Pink Flavour', I found four that were similar to mine. Three in Great Britain: at Harts Nursery: [url=www.hartsnursery.co.uk/Pink-Flavour.html]www.hartsnursery.co.uk/Pink-Flavour.html[/url] and at Perch Hill in Marlborough in Wiltshire: [url=www.sarahraven.com/flowers/bulbs/lilium_pink_flavour.htm]www.sarahraven.com/flowers/bulbs/lilium_pink_flavour.htm[/url] and at Shoot: [url=www.shootgardening.co.uk/plant/lilium/-pink-flavour]www.shootgardening.co.uk/plant/lilium/-pink-flavour[/url] . In Holland, the Fluwel company shows it, too. [url=www.fluwel.com/pink-flavour.html]www.fluwel.com/pink-flavour.html[/url] .

I'll try to find the label for my Tiger Lily collection of the four varieties: Hiawatha, Tiger Baby, Pink Flavour and Leichtinii. It shows the variety called Pink Flavour, as looking like Iowa Rose, but the four bulbs of that variety that I received, look like the varieties shown in England and Holland, like the photos that I have shown above, in my Sept. 4rth entry.

Yes - - - very confusing. Sighing!
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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 12, 2016 11:18 PM CST

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'Pink Flavour' has been registered in the RHS Lily Register by The Lily Company and the description seems to match the vendor photos. I have adjusted the database to reflect that 'Iowa Rose' has also been sold as 'Pink Flavour'.

I have added 'Pink Flavour' to the data base so if you have photos you can upload them here:

Lily (Lilium 'Pink Flavour')

I still suspect that 'Pink Flavour ' has had a different name. Maybe someday it will be straightened out but for now there should be no confusion since it now has its own entry. Thumbs up
Name: Nora
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HemNorth
Sep 13, 2016 3:36 AM CST
@paradalinum - Thank you so much for changing this around. I had given up on making sense of it all, until I read what Rick @Leftwood had discovered. Thanks to you both! I tip my hat to you. I have just submitted three photos of Pink Flavour.

This kind of wonderful help and interaction is what makes it so enjoyable to belong to the National Gardening Association. And to think that for so many years, I just used All Things Plants as my Daylily research station, to help identify plants in my Riverview, Robson garden, whose name tags had been whisked away by playful crows! I would sometimes read a few Forum items, but not being a member at that time, I couldn't interact. I guess I'm making up for it now!
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