Ken, I was told years ago that the person who made the cross should be the one to reg it with it's given name, and if awarded the grower can name that particular plant it's 'special' name. Many times flask are sold off or the hybridizer dies, etc and then a cross gets overlooked until some skilled grower takes his plant to a show and then it's a mess to get its name reg. that's why you need so many clerks at the shows. It wasn't so much a problem when the plants were produced by the great orchid houses back in the 50,60,70's like Rod Mclellen or Jones and Scully.
You get used to names and can ID the source of a plant by the 'special' names such as Marilyn LeDoux names hers all' Windy Hill', or Jo Levy used'magnifico'. But how do you get the x named? The hybridizer also has to pay for naming, and must know what the correct names were of the parents used. But I have seen names assigned after not having one for decades, so maybe there is another way?
Carol, maybe I need to take a nap, it will all make sense in the morning. I get punch drunk when I'm this tired. I hope I don't dream in cap letters.....RLC, BLC..ect

Here is another of Guacamole fully open and Paph Semi 'Pine Glow' x delenatii. It's a pretty little one that was a gift.

Thanks, Bert. I hope you got all your "house" work done yesterday. My day was mostly uneventful. I completed eight new mounts and then mounted four staghorns. I just got my first cypress knee mounts done and they are really something. I have never seen or heard of this being used for a mount (commercially), so think I will have something special. Because the knees are 14-18" tall, and 6-8" wide, I will use them for staghorns.

Ken, I don't understand your confusion about Blc. Mahina Yahiro x C. Ruth Gee 'Diamond Jubilee'. Everything there is registered including the new offspring. Let me go through the process. Your tag shows the parents of the orchid. The first thing I have to do is verify those names are current. In this case, the Blc. has changed to Rlc. on the Mahina Yahiro. So, I look to see if a cross between Rlc. Mahina Yahiro and C. Ruth Gee has been registered and I found it has indeed. The new name of your orchid is Rhyncholaeliocattleya [Rlc.] Exotic's Summer Cloud. Therefore, you can change your tag to read Rlc. Exotic's Summer Cloud. So, what is the issue about something not being registered?

On the second one you gave me like that, Blc. Meditation 'King's Ransom' x Blc. Xanthette 'Chartreuse', I went through the same process. I found that both parents are now Rlc orchids but that their cross has not yet been registered. That could be for various reasons, I have no way of knowing. Perhaps the hybridizer didn't want to fork over the money they charge for the privilege of naming his own orchid.

Thanks, Bert, you are right on.

Melissa, I love your Paphs. Wish I could grow them.

Jim

Sorry, Jim. I did not pick up on the new name Rlc. Exotic's Summer Cloud for my 'Diamond Jubilee'. My eyes seemed to focus on the Xanthette instead. My mistake.

Good morning all, feeling better today after an endless day of travel and putting my house in Corinth on the market. Also doesn't hurt that I wake to these beauties opening!
correction: this is C Willette Wong 'The Best'.


correction: this is Bryce Canyon 'Splendiferous'. sorry for the confusion.


As you can see the names are switched up, now how many caught that! Ha,Ha! Can't seem to drag it to the correct spot so maybe Ursula can fix it?

done.

I wouldn't mind waking up to these pretty blooms either.

Nice ones, Bert.

"Splendiferous" indeed! A great beauty/eye candy to wake up to! Love it!

hawkarica said:Ken, I don't understand your confusion about Blc. Mahina Yahiro x C. Ruth Gee 'Diamond Jubilee'. Everything there is registered including the new offspring. Let me go through the process. Your tag shows the parents of the orchid. The first thing I have to do is verify those names are current. In this case, the Blc. has changed to Rlc. on the Mahina Yahiro. So, I look to see if a cross between Rlc. Mahina Yahiro and C. Ruth Gee has been registered and I found it has indeed. The new name of your orchid is Rhyncholaeliocattleya [Rlc.] Exotic's Summer Cloud. Therefore, you can change your tag to read Rlc. Exotic's Summer Cloud. So, what is the issue about something not being registered?

On the second one you gave me like that, Blc. Meditation 'King's Ransom' x Blc. Xanthette 'Chartreuse', I went through the same process. I found that both parents are now Rlc orchids but that their cross has not yet been registered. That could be for various reasons, I have no way of knowing. Perhaps the hybridizer didn't want to fork over the money they charge for the privilege of naming his own orchid.

Thanks, Bert, you are right on.

Melissa, I love your Paphs. Wish I could grow them.

Jim

Hi Jim and Ken,

I use the RHS database to look up the orchids. It is a good free visual without the heavy investment of Orchid Wiz. http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticu...

It was confusing because the seed and pollen parent were swapped on RHS. It is possible that Ken's plant was the opposite breeding, which results in the same name as they don't differentiate pollen vs seed parent except at registration. No matter the pollen or seed parent, the cross results in the same name.

In the RHS, Mahina Yahiro is the pollen plant (which would be listed after the seed parent). So when it was originally registered, it was Ruth Gee x Mahina Yahiro.

On the second orchid, according to RHS it has been registered as RLC Misty Green.

Of course, the RHS does not recognize clonal names as that is specific to the breeder or owner so it is a good idea to keep the original tags and a journal for complete information.

Thank you, Melissa. You have completed my labeling questions and now I can change them all.

At least those two labels will be shorter...............

I just went back to OrchidWiz and input both parents again and came up with a not registered for the hybrid. Then I searched on Rlc. Misty Green and see that the parents are indeed (Rlc. Meditation x Rlc. Xanthette). Go figure. Looks like a problem with OrchidWiz to me. Anyway, I think Ken is safe to change that tag to Rlc. Misty Green. Thanks for the double check, Melissa!

Jim

hawkarica said:I just went back to OrchidWiz and input both parents again and came up with a not registered for the hybrid. Then I searched on Rlc. Misty Green and see that the parents are indeed (Rlc. Meditation x Rlc. Xanthette). Go figure. Looks like a problem with OrchidWiz to me. Anyway, I think Ken is safe to change that tag to Rlc. Misty Green. Thanks for the double check, Melissa!

Jim

Welcome!

I think I was a detective in my other life.

You guys are all having way too much fun with this naming biz. I could care less about the names, frankly but it's fun to hear all of you discussing them.

Found multiple seed pods hanging off my Encyclia tampensis plant today. They've probably been there for a month and I just didn't notice them. I sure hope they release lots of seeds and some of them take root on my oak tree. I know that Enc. tampensis does grow naturally in Myakka State Park just east of here.


Got a little better picture of the tiny Green Fly Orchid, Epi. magnoliae var. magnoliae for you names geeks . ..

I don't have a choice, Elaine.

Ken, I think it's very responsible of you to make sure your customers have the right names. I'm like Elaine, I don't really care too much. But it is annoying when I post the name of whatever I have blooming on here and people tell me it's changed to this or that. Especially if it's not an old plant, I'll think, "Why isn't it labeled correctly?" And I have a few that have little typos and such that I've discovered when I Googled my plants to see other peoples' pictures. Considering there are people who are really in to showing their orchids and want to have the current, correct name, I think that makes you a responsible seller and it may be a reason people will buy (or continue to buy) from you. I would certainly want a knowledgeable seller because I don't know much about these plants! Still learning, though!

Just got back from Pennsy, we had a really nice time there. Have to see what's in my camera.

In the meanwhile - catching up on a lot of interesting posts here!

I like to say one more thing regarding looking up Orchid names - I don't have OrchidWiz because it is not compatible with our Macs, so I have to use the RHS to do the Parentage and Grex name searches. I learned years ago to find answers quickly by simply not entering the Genus name, just typing in the Grex!
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticu...
If you don't get an answer, reverse seed/pod parent and pollen parent. ( as mentioned upstream) Still no answer, than it is not registered. You get an answer - it will tell you the new name and the old. If you get several names, you have to go through them to select the correct one. Usually you will be able to narrow it down simply by looking at the names.
Done!

@Gleni, you have a Vanda question? Fire away, please!

Melanie