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Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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RickCorey
Aug 5, 2014 4:38 PM CST
I've never had my "jump to first unread post" jump strangely, but I've never been able to figure out why some forums (especially Farming) show unread posts in the ATP Home page, despite there being no recent unread posts as shown by the order of the threads in the forum.

Is there anything other than sticky threads that could influence the order of threads displayed in the Forum home page? I assumed that threads were listed by the date of the most recent post in that thread..

I can go into a forum, read several posts, exit by clicking on ATP Home, and see "no" in the Home page.

Then a little while later, it may show "yes" and I'll go back into the forum. I expect that if there was a new post, it would be more recent than any in the threads I just checked. So the thread with a new post "should" be at the top of the list (after any sticky threads). Yet the top several threads will all show "no".

(I haven't yet done any searches for threads not being listed in the order that I expected.)

For a while maybe that was because I used a back arrow instead of "ATP Home" to get out of the forum. But I don't do that any more. if it was a rare occurrence, I would assume that I had a brain freeze, but it happens multiple times per day, sometimes when I'm SURE I hit Home.

Then I thought it might be some race condition, and I was clicking around too fast for the electrons to keep up. Naah, I type fast but not THAT fast!

The best theory I've heard is that someone started to post to a thread, and then exited or their connection broke before they could hit "Finished". Maybe one mechanism used by the ATP Home Page detected a new post, but it "went away" before the forum could capture it.
Name: Trish
Jacksonville, TX (Zone 8a)
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Trish
Aug 7, 2014 8:50 AM CST

Garden.org Admin

Rick- I created this new thread for you.
Different issue=different thread Whistling
It's just good etiquette to the OP who is likely watching the thread to get an answer to their question (and probably getting email alerts as well).

I believe the answer to your question is this:

The thread watcher and the forum "yes/no" don't communicate with each other very well. We've always and forever had this "feature" (can't really call it a bug).
Here's what happens- your watched thread has a new post, and it shows up at the top of your homepage, so you click on it and read your thread. You jump back to the homepage, and the forum that your thread was in has a "yes", indicating that there is a new thread. You click on the forum name, but no threads are new. There aren't any new threads because you looked at the only new thread via your thread watcher. The forum doesnt know that you already looked at just the thread because you didn't visit the forum main page. I know that's clear as mud Hilarious!

It is especially apparent in slower forums- like the farming forum. Other busy forums will likely have other threads besides the one that you are watching to visit, thus there is still "new" stuff for your to see.

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Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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woofie
Aug 7, 2014 12:52 PM CST
I've noticed this same thing, and I think you explained it well, Trish. I've also noticed sort of the inverse of this, where a forum shows "new" comments on several threads. If I click on and read only one of those threads, when I return to the Home page, the forum shows "No," even though I know there are threads I haven't read.
Confidence is that feeling you have right before you do something really stupid.
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Calif_Sue
Aug 7, 2014 12:59 PM CST

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That's because nothing new has been added anywhere in that entire forum since you had just visited it. Once someone does post to any of the existing threads (or a new one) after your visit, it will say 'new' again.
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Name: Trish
Jacksonville, TX (Zone 8a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Roses Herbs Vegetable Grower
Composter Canning and food preservation Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Organic Gardener Forum moderator Hummingbirder
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Trish
Aug 7, 2014 1:01 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

Woofie- in that case, the "new" is stating that there is no new activity on the forum since you looked (it's not looking to see if you actually saw everything).

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Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Vegetable Grower
Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member
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RickCorey
Aug 7, 2014 1:24 PM CST
Thanks, Trish.

The fact that they are different processes and also "because you didn't visit the forum main page" does make it make sense to me.

The fact that it shows up less in faster forums kept me thinking it was a defect instead of a feature!

Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
Charter ATP Member Garden Procrastinator Greenhouse Dragonflies Plays in the sandbox I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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woofie
Aug 7, 2014 2:07 PM CST
What?! You mean the system can't read my mind?! TSK!!! Hilarious!

I'd sort of figured it out, but your explanation, Trish, makes it much clearer in my mind. Smiling
Confidence is that feeling you have right before you do something really stupid.
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Vegetable Grower
Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member
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RickCorey
Aug 7, 2014 2:10 PM CST
The computer command that we have been wishing for since the very first programmable widget is "RPM".

Read
Programmer's
Mind
Name: Trish
Jacksonville, TX (Zone 8a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Roses Herbs Vegetable Grower
Composter Canning and food preservation Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Organic Gardener Forum moderator Hummingbirder
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Trish
Aug 7, 2014 3:31 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

Happy to help!! I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Aug 7, 2014 5:45 PM CST
I had noticed & wondered about both of these things too. Glad to know why & Trish, clear as mud was crystal clear.
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Name: Trish
Jacksonville, TX (Zone 8a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Roses Herbs Vegetable Grower
Composter Canning and food preservation Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Organic Gardener Forum moderator Hummingbirder
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Trish
Aug 7, 2014 7:28 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

Good! Sometimes I feel like explaining something like that is akin to giving verbal instructions on knot tying (no visual!)
Difficult. Smiling
NGA COO, Wife, Mom, and caretaker of 90 acres and all that dwell there.
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Region: Florida Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
Aug 7, 2014 7:31 PM CST
Hilarious! I can understand that. nodding
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



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