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Aug 12, 2014 10:59 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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Grew it from seed someone gave me, they claim its a hybrid. Flowers vary from pure white to white with faint pink lines.
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Aug 13, 2014 6:53 AM CST
Name: Carole
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It does look like 'Disco Belle'.
I garden for the pollinators.
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Aug 13, 2014 11:38 AM CST
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Aug 13, 2014 12:06 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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plantladylin said:Either:
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They look similar to luna swirl, but my center is hot pink not red, none of those have that trait.
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Aug 13, 2014 12:43 PM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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It doesn't look like my "Luna Pink Swirl'.
I garden for the pollinators.
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Aug 13, 2014 2:48 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Here are a couple more for comparison, with my bad eyesight I can't tell if they have red or dark pink centers:
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Aug 13, 2014 10:09 PM CST
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Name: Keith
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plantladylin said:Here are a couple more for comparison, with my bad eyesight I can't tell if they have red or dark pink centers:


Its got shape and center color of 'Pinot Grigio' but faint striping like 'luna blush'.

Mabye it is indeed a hybrid?
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Aug 14, 2014 4:09 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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The question is, was the seed bought as a hybrid, in which case you could claim a name if you knew what that name was.

If the seed came from a plant already growing, and that plant was a hybrid, then you can't give it a name as hybrids don't grow true from seed unless they have been directly hybridised by the grower.
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Aug 14, 2014 9:14 AM CST
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Name: Keith
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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JRsbugs said:The question is, was the seed bought as a hybrid, in which case you could claim a name if you knew what that name was.

If the seed came from a plant already growing, and that plant was a hybrid, then you can't give it a name as hybrids don't grow true from seed unless they have been directly hybridised by the grower.


The seed was given to me by someone who claimed they hybridized 2 hibiscus and the seed given was the result. They said its a Hibiscus moscheutos x Hibiscus coccineus but by the looks that seems impossible.
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Aug 14, 2014 1:57 PM CST
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Now that is interesting!

Do you know if the species claimed to be species were actually true species?

Do you know if the pollination process was isolated from other Hibiscus?

You need to know the answers to those two questions. If the answer is they were true species, and if the pollination process was isolated, then you would have a new hybrid from crossing those two species.

There are apparently different forms within the section including H. coccineus, a white form looks possible to have produced the flower you have with H. moscheutos.

Hibiscus section Muenchhusia: Hibiscus coccineus is another North American member of section Muenchhusia, which is composed of hardy, herbaceous, perennial Hibiscus species. Within section Muenchhusia, there are numerous naturally occuring forms as well as flower colors, ranging from pure white to deep red.


http://hibiscus-malvaceae.blog...

It's a very nice Hibiscus!
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Aug 14, 2014 8:38 PM CST
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Name: Keith
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Zinnias Plays in the sandbox Roses Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Organic Gardener
Region: New York Native Plants and Wildflowers Lilies Seed Starter Spiders! Enjoys or suffers hot summers
JRsbugs said:Now that is interesting!

Do you know if the species claimed to be species were actually true species?

Do you know if the pollination process was isolated from other Hibiscus?

You need to know the answers to those two questions. If the answer is they were true species, and if the pollination process was isolated, then you would have a new hybrid from crossing those two species.

There are apparently different forms within the section including H. coccineus, a white form looks possible to have produced the flower you have with H. moscheutos.



http://hibiscus-malvaceae.blog...

It's a very nice Hibiscus!


I don't know if breeders were pure I do know the person has created their own new hybrids so I think pollination was isolated. If you say its possible that might be the answer.
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