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Name: D Brawner
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Aug 14, 2014 1:32 PM CST
Carya illinoinensis (pecan)
Punica granatum (pomegranate)

Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 14, 2014 2:04 PM CST

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Pecans (Carya illinoinensis) looks all set to be made into a Parent Plant. I did remove the reference for perennial since it is a Tree.
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dave
Aug 14, 2014 2:24 PM CST

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It's okay to include Perennial in this case, is it not? It describes the life cycle and that's important info.

Shumard Oak (Quercus shumardii) for example includes that it is perennial.
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 14, 2014 2:26 PM CST
Ok
Just make sure the search query thats generated defaults to include trees when someone selects perennial.
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 14, 2014 2:27 PM CST
i know some ppl have grown trees as annuals but i don't know if there are any "trees" that aren't perennial.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 14, 2014 2:29 PM CST

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dbrawner said:Ok
Just make sure the search query thats generated defaults to include trees when someone selects perennial.


The search doesn't make assumptions for the user. That's why we should check off perennial if it's a perennial even if it's a tree.
Name: Zuzu
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Aug 14, 2014 2:32 PM CST

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dbrawner said:Ok
Just make sure the search query thats generated defaults to include trees when someone selects perennial.


I don't think a default to include trees in every perennial search is necessary. If I'm looking for plants for a moon garden, for example, and I search for herb/forb, perennial, white blooms, I don't want trees to be included in the search results.
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 14, 2014 2:57 PM CST

I was just wondering if someone did a search for "perennial, Dry Mesic" would it return a record that was marked as a tree, dry mesic but the life cycle was blank.
From what dave said it wouldn't return that record since its probably building a direct chained 'AND' where statement.

if the logic "if a plant is a tree then it also is perennial" is true you could do a mass update for anything classified as a tree but with life cycle blank.
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dave
Aug 14, 2014 3:27 PM CST

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I'm wondering if there is a scenario where a tree is not a perennial. If that's true then we could indeed write a script to automatically check off Perennial for all plants who have Tree already checked off.
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 14, 2014 4:06 PM CST

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OK I've added perennial back in to the Parent Plant entry for Pecans Pecans (Carya illinoinensis)
Dave, Please add this to the list and name Pecans.

Pomegranates (Punica granatum) will take more work since it has size, growing zone and quite a bit more data.

Perennial may also apply to all shrubs, even if grown as an annual.
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Name: Zuzu
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Aug 14, 2014 4:10 PM CST

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Should the pomegranate be called a patio tree if it's 20-30 feet tall?
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eclayne
Aug 14, 2014 4:19 PM CST

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Good point Zuzu.

I fear we may end up with species Parent Plants without hardiness zone information, size ranges, exposure information or, etc.
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Name: Zuzu
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Aug 14, 2014 4:27 PM CST

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I think it's better to end up without the information than to get too general and provide misleading information. The zones and size ranges can be filled in by hand for each individual entry, just as they always were before. Ideally, this could be done at some point by the person submitting the mass proposal. That's in line with my adopt-a-plant philosophy. Smiling Choose a genus and species, submit a mass proposal for common features, and then add as much specific data as possible to each individual entry.
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 14, 2014 5:00 PM CST

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The issue I refer to is species plants without data we know to be correct but can't include because it's a Parent Plant.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Aug 14, 2014 5:17 PM CST

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Oh, you're right. That is a problem. I suppose it can be solved with comments, but we need a better solution.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 14, 2014 5:30 PM CST

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eclayne said:OK I've added perennial back in to the Parent Plant entry for Pecans Pecans (Carya illinoinensis)
Dave, Please add this to the list and name Pecans.


Should be done now. Thumbs up
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 14, 2014 7:08 PM CST

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Dave, I don't see Pecans in the Visit our custom databases: list on the Plants Database homepage.
Evan
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 14, 2014 7:20 PM CST

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New custom databases don't show up automatically. There is a nightly script that runs to re-populates that list on the database homepage.

So check again in the morning and until then: The Pecans Database
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Aug 15, 2014 1:31 PM CST

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Some uses for Pomegranate from the Flora of Pakistan
The fruit is delicious to eat; the juice used as a tonic in fevers. Dried seeds are used for adding taste to certain foods. Bark of the root and wood is used as a vermifuge for tapeworms; also used for diarrhoea and dysentry; a number of dyes can be obtained from it; black writing ink is also made from it.
Evan
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 15, 2014 2:08 PM CST
Yeah I used the seeds in a Romen fruit cake recipe they have a pretty crazy tart flavor.

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