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Aug 16, 2014 4:55 AM CST
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Hello everybody
Ive been looking around at seeds. I can get seeds @ ebay but then looking here I see that the type offered wont come true. Ive looked on the Green Pages here @ATP and see a seller with seeds that lists seeds of let say Precious Candy but when I look it up on Plant Database it says wont come true from seed. I understand what wont come true from seed means, but dont understand how they can list both here and ebay without getting called out.
Thanks Dennis
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Aug 16, 2014 5:25 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Dennis. Welcome to ATP. Welcome! Welcome!
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Aug 16, 2014 5:36 AM CST
Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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No daylily seed will be exactly like the parents when they bloom, most persons that buy seed know this.
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Aug 16, 2014 6:17 AM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
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And that is the fun of daylily seeds, you NEVER know what you are going to get from a cross of two different daylilies Thumbs up
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Aug 16, 2014 6:25 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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So the reason to buy daylily seeds is for the surprise of not knowing what you will get?
The reason not to buy daylily seeds is for the surprise of not knowing what you will get?
I guess as long as you know that you don't know either way is fine. Smiling
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Aug 16, 2014 6:38 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
(Lee Reinke X Rose F Kennedy) X Unk
Amaryllis Hybridizer Canning and food preservation Lilies Native Plants and Wildflowers Orchids
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Pollen collector Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Plays in the sandbox Sedums Seed Starter
You also get cheaper access to the genes of some amazing cultivars whose fans are very expensive to purchase. If the seedlings turn out to be fabulous blooms, they can be subsequently registered.
The problem is that when you are young your life it is ruined by your parents. When you are older it is ruined by your children.
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Aug 16, 2014 6:46 AM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
Hilarious! seedfork that is true, as long as you know that you don't know

What Fred said about the seeds, most people that buy daylily seeds know that they don't come true from seed.

Well the main reason people buy daylily seeds is to get the genes from the parents. Since some of the parents are the higher dollars daylilies and some can't afford them then they buy the seeds to get the genes to use. Or even if they could buy the plants it saves a whole season or more if you were making your own seed. Also, there are a lot of seed buyers from other countries that would never be able to get the plants imported in so they buy seed.
There is a chance you will get some future intros from those seeds but then there is the chance you will only get plants that you will never register but can use for the genes from the parents (bridge plant). Some people buy the seeds to get lots of garden plants for a lesser price than buying daylilies; of course this is the lower priced seeds not the high dollar seeds
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Aug 16, 2014 7:16 AM CST
Name: Linnea
Southern Maine, border 5b/6a (Zone 5b)
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I plant seeds that I find growing in random places, like islands in parking lots. I don't care if my lilies are named or not, as long as they are something I am not selling. Random lilies can give you an extended growing season as different characteristics may come up through the seedlings. What a wonderful banking filler or garden clump! And if you get some you deem spectacular, you can just develop those and give away the other ones to the neighbors...or Guerilla Garden them to the side of the road.
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Aug 16, 2014 7:47 AM CST
Name: Pat
Near McIntosh, Florida (Zone 9a)
Welcome! Dennis.

Since I'm new to being really addicted to daylilies, seeds have been a good option to build variety in my garden. And there are plenty of affordable selections -- try Lily Auction also.

I manage to kill off a fair amount of sprouted seeds; haven't found just the right course of seed growing for me so I tend to buy the "cheap" ones.

Earlier this year, I had tagged a TON of seeds on Ebay with my auction sniping tool with the intention of going back on auction ending day for more evaluation-- raising bids or eliminating entirely (probably eliminating most of them). Well, as fate would have it, on that day, Ebay had the site jammed and I couldn't access anything -- no pictures, etc. Plus other network problems, etc. and I ended up "winning" a whole bunch of seeds.

The seller was so happy to have made such a large seed sale that another TON of bonus seeds were included.

In spite of my seed/seedling killing ability, I have a bunch of good looking seedlings growing right now and waiting for them to bloom keeps this old body moving.

As Forest Gump might have said, "Seeds are like a box of chocolates: you never know what you're going to get."
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Aug 16, 2014 8:24 AM CST
Name: Laura Eiras
Huntsville, AL (Zone 7b)
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coldlime said:Hello everybody
Ive been looking around at seeds. I can get seeds @ ebay but then looking here I see that the type offered wont come true. Ive looked on the Green Pages here @ATP and see a seller with seeds that lists seeds of let say Precious Candy but when I look it up on Plant Database it says wont come true from seed. I understand what wont come true from seed means, but dont understand how they can list both here and ebay without getting called out.
Thanks Dennis


Welcome! Reputable sellers should list the parents of the seeds so that buyers will know the genetics of the seeds. It will look something like this: Precious Candy x Southern Dazzle.

The convention is that the pod parent—plant the pod came from—is on the left (Precious Candy in the example) and the pollen parent—plant the pollen came from—is on the right (Southern Dazzle). If the person selling the seed does not know either one (more often happens with the pollen parent, but can be both if they lost the label Crying ) they will show it as Unknown: Precious Candy x unknown or unknown x unknown.


edited to add for clarity: You will not see that very often with seeds (who would buy seed of unknown parentage), but you will see it in the parentage of seedlings.

Hope this helps.
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Aug 16, 2014 8:33 AM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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Good explanation, Laura.
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Aug 16, 2014 11:53 AM CST
Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
Daylilies Region: Louisiana Tropicals Region: Gulf Coast Hybridizer Seller of Garden Stuff
I do sell daylily seeds on eBay (and the Lilyauction) and I will gladly tell you that I get really aggravated at the seed sellers on eBay that list seeds that way. Either they, themselves don't know much about daylilies or they are counting on buyers not knowing enough daylilies to know that all seeds are hybrids and will not be replicates of the parents. I think it is misleading to the point of being dishonest. I think the reason they aren't called out on it is because it can take 2-3 years before the first seedlings bloom and by then, it's too late to raise a fuss. I feel so badly for the folks who spend money on daylily seeds thinking they are getting the plant in the photo used.
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Aug 16, 2014 12:10 PM CST
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Ok thanks for all the help you have all given. Please remember that its easy for you all to understand and Im just starting out.
So when the picture of the daylily is shown there is not much chance that the seed will grow to be looking exactly like is shows. Or that it could be close. Ive grown Hot peppers in the past and some varieties can be grown close to others while other cant. Some I had to keep some plants at work or on neighbors yards or in-laws just to keep the seed Im growing "true". Understand that its going to be hard to change my mindset from the quest to have "true" seeds to the random - or controlled randomness of daylilies. I guess I was confused by the showing of the bloom and then reading about the seed not being true.
Thanks all, I think I understand it a little bit better now. yea just a little bit
Dennis
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Aug 16, 2014 12:13 PM CST
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Thank you Judy as I guess that was my point in the first place
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Aug 16, 2014 1:43 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Welcome to ATP coldlime!

I've been wondering something & was going to ask about it & I think this thread is the perfect place.
Can you actually MAKE seed that is true? Let's say I have several clumps of daylily Bozo. If I pollinate Bozo with Bozo then wouldn't that seed come true?
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Aug 16, 2014 2:05 PM CST
Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
Daylilies Region: Louisiana Tropicals Region: Gulf Coast Hybridizer Seller of Garden Stuff
No, it won't. The only way to get an exact replica of a daylily is to divide it or by a proliferation (if it makes them.). Self-crossing may give you seedlings that look similar to either parent plant, but they may also look like any of the plants in the entire lineage of either parent. It just depends on how the chromosomes line up in each seed as to which characteristics show in each bloom. All daylily seeds are hybrids.
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Aug 16, 2014 2:12 PM CST
Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
Daylilies Region: Louisiana Tropicals Region: Gulf Coast Hybridizer Seller of Garden Stuff
BTW, using your example, it would be 'Bozo x self' if you use the pollen from the same flower that you are pollinating. It would be 'Bozo x Bozo' if you used pollen from a different flower from the same clump or different plant of 'Bozo'. The seeds would never be just 'Bozo'.
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Aug 16, 2014 2:15 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
Thank you Judy! Thumbs up
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