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Name: Toni Melvin
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Toni
Aug 23, 2014 9:48 AM CST
I apologize for the over exposure *Blush* Can anyone identify this plant that I photographed while in Hawaii? In December.
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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Aug 23, 2014 9:54 AM CST
It appears to be a Hymenocallis speciosa

http://www.bulbsociety.org/GALLERY_OF_THE_WORLDS_BULBS/GRAPH...
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skylark
Aug 23, 2014 10:23 AM CST
since it's hawaii - can it be a crinum lily? can we see the whole plant?
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terrafirma
Aug 23, 2014 10:51 AM CST
I agree with Moon... http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Hymenocallis
Name: Greene
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greene
Aug 23, 2014 10:54 AM CST
Hymenocallis

I posted a similar plant (asking for an ID) and was told only that it's a Hymenocallis. They could not be more specific.
Perhaps you will have a more definite answer since yours in in Hawaii. Thumbs up
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Aug 23, 2014 11:10 AM CST
Looks more like Hymenocallis to me too.

Spider Lily (Hymenocallis littoralis) is one that grows in Hawaii as well as many other areas.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/92957314


Crinum asiaticum also grows in Hawaii. Here are photo's for comparison:

http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Crinum+asiaticum&...

http://www.starrenvironmental.com/images/species/?q=crinum+a...
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growitall
Aug 23, 2014 11:48 AM CST
It's clearly not Crinum asiaticum - the flower doesn't match. :-)

Here are a number of similar-looking Hymenocallis species:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Hymenoca...

Given the very amenable climate, I'm sure any of them could be grown easily in Hawaii (though, of course, they could be grown anywhere that the necessary conditions were provided). :-)

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Aug 23, 2014 11:56 AM CST

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How large is the flower? It might be: Spider Lily (Hymenocallis caribaea 'Tropical Giant')
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skylark
Aug 23, 2014 12:41 PM CST
ok, i agree, spider lily as 'hymenocallis'. apparently crinum asiaticum is also called spider lily. i did see lots of spider lilies in the tropics.
here's a neat site with hawaiian plant pics. including some hymenocallis.
http://www.starrenvironmental.com/images/search/?q=spider+li...
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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Aug 23, 2014 2:08 PM CST
The plants look similar, Skylark. That being said, I withdraw the "speciosa" designation, but stand by Hymenocallis.

Crinum asiaticum has long narrow petals, prominent stamen and the anthers are a magenta color.

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skylark
Aug 23, 2014 3:04 PM CST
i now understand the difference, i saw plenty of both, i just got confused by 'spider lily' being applied to both. there are many images marked as spider lily that show both crinum asiaticum and hymenocallis. and of course i don't know all varieties of crinum. there are some with very skinny petals just like hymenocallis. the little 'corona' in the center is very characteristic though and is only on hymenocallis - so now i'll remember.
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skylark
Aug 23, 2014 3:22 PM CST
so there is one type with like a little funnel inside. like this
http://www.imagejuicy.com/images/plants/c/crinum/9/
it is labeled in many-many places as crinum asiaticum.
and then i pulled this interesting compare of plants side by side, very educational: just look at pics unless you can speak cantonese ;)
http://www.hkwildlife.net/viewthread.php?tid=7476
and it happens that in ATP database there is no pic of Crinum asiaticum var. sinicum Baker...i am going to rummage in my files!
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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Aug 23, 2014 3:42 PM CST
That first link is not C asiaticum var sinicum. There are a lot of mis-ID'ed plants on the web.

This is C asiaticum var sinicum

https://www.flickr.com/photos/qchen/3069889737/

http://www.hkherbarium.net/herbarium/e_plant_of_month.asp?ye...
Name: Toni Melvin
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Toni
Aug 23, 2014 3:53 PM CST
I believe it is Hymenocallis littoralis as SongofJoy suggests because of the anther facing sideways and the leaves are wide at the base.

But then I looked up Hymenocallis caribaea as Jon mentioned and of course that makes sense also because the flower was about 10 - 12 inches in diameter and the leaves were very broad, about 2 - 2/12 inches wide.... hmmm

Maybe that answers the question.... it must be the Hymenocallis caribaea ‘tropical giant’

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skylark
Aug 23, 2014 4:19 PM CST
i just came across another plant that has a little funnel with skinny fingers pancratium maritimum - it's wide spread in meditteranian areas, called
sand lily. much smaller then H. and funnel is 'frilled'. so different, but i think that's the one where funnel is detached from petals.
- https://store.brentandbeckysbulbs.com/spring/productview/?sk...
and just gorgeous pics here
http://www.fotokritik.com/arama/kum%20zamba%C4%9F%C4%B1%20(p...)
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-"There are a lot of mis-ID'ed plants on the web."
i am quite aware of that, but i do like to investigate on my own and then try to figure out which ones are not right. the chinese side-by-side compare was best!
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JRsbugs
Aug 24, 2014 4:57 AM CST
Photos on the internet should be viewed with caution, unless you can find a site which one would expect to show reliable photos.

Hymenocallis littoralis on the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute I would consider more likely to be reliable than not.

http://biogeodb.stri.si.edu/bioinformatics/dfm/metas/view/31...

The long tepals and size seem to match this, however one can never be certain. The length of the tube suggests a large flower but we can't see the tube in the photo posted.

Each flower's tube is 14 to 17 cm (5 to 7 inches) long or longer


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymenocallis_littoralis



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skylark
Aug 24, 2014 8:29 AM CST
thanks, that's a great ref site. unfortunately those that are 100% reliable often lack pics. the pics that i post to DB usually come from large bot gardens where i also take a pic of the label. but even that is not 100% accurate, and so many plants even there are not labeled...it's a sad state of affairs.
Name: Toni Melvin
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Toni
Aug 24, 2014 12:49 PM CST
JRsbugs said:Photos on the internet should be viewed with caution, unless you can find a site which one would expect to show reliable photos.

Hymenocallis littoralis on the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute I would consider more likely to be reliable than not.

http://biogeodb.stri.si.edu/bioinformatics/dfm/metas/view/31...

The long tepals and size seem to match this, however one can never be certain. The length of the tube suggests a large flower but we can't see the tube in the photo posted.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymenocallis_littoralis





Thank you for the info.. The tube was almost 8 inches long.

Toni
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Name: Greene
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greene
Aug 24, 2014 1:30 PM CST
Toni, what was decided for the ID? Thank You!
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Name: Toni Melvin
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Toni
Aug 24, 2014 9:20 PM CST
@greene,
I believe it is the Hymenocallis caribaea as Jon mentioned. It has a flower that is 10 - 12 inches and the tube was at least 8 inches. The leaves are wide at the bottom. So Thank You! everyone that researched my interesting plant.
Toni
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