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Cinta
Sep 1, 2014 8:02 PM CST
I have a spathe on my .Aglaonema . I guess it is happy.

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plantladylin
Sep 2, 2014 7:00 AM CST
Very nice Cinta! Thumbs up I'd say your 'Siam Aurora' is very happy; I didn't find that one listed in the database so I proposed a new entry for it; once it's approved you can add photos.
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Cinta
Sep 2, 2014 10:31 AM CST
plantladylin said:Very nice Cinta! Thumbs up I'd say your 'Siam Aurora' is very happy; I didn't find that one listed in the database so I proposed a new entry for it; once it's approved you can add photos.


Thank you. I will get a pic of the entire plant to add to it when it is up. Although I have only had it for 8 months I like it.
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plantladylin
Sep 2, 2014 12:50 PM CST
I have one similar to yours that I've had for a few years:


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plantladylin
Sep 2, 2014 12:52 PM CST
I just got messaged that 'Siam Aurora' is now in the database so you can upload photo's: Chinese Evergreen (Aglaonema 'Siam Aurora')
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Cinta
Sep 2, 2014 6:18 PM CST
Thank you Lin you are awesome.
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Cinta
Sep 2, 2014 6:19 PM CST
plantladylin said:I have one similar to yours that I've had for a few years:




I like yours better the leaves are shiny and I like the color. Thumbs up

Plantomaniac08
Sep 3, 2014 8:12 PM CST
How do you tell the difference between certain Aglaonemas? I looked up bith 'Crete' and 'Siam Aurora' and the pictures look identical! There's a third one called 'Black Cherry,' and it looks like both of yours too. Confused

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Cinta
Sep 3, 2014 11:48 PM CST
Plantomaniac08 said:How do you tell the difference between certain Aglaonemas? I looked up bith 'Crete' and 'Siam Aurora' and the pictures look identical! There's a third one called 'Black Cherry,' and it looks like both of yours too. Confused

Planto


I purchased mine from my local nursery and it had a tag. They have a large Houseplant area because they also do live plant arrangements for gifts the extra plants that are not used for the combo pots they sell them.

The difference from the pic Lin posted and mine is Crete looks to be green with red edge and highlights of color. The one I have more white with splash of pink.

Okay I looked up Black Cherry and it looks like it is a dark leaf and the pic I saw the back of the leaf looks dark. Since I do not have the plant that is the difference I see from the ones you posted about.

This reminds me of the conversation Tiffany and I were discussing about our rubber plant. Little variance of plants and they give it new names. It is like Hostas, Heucheras with slight differences but they have a different name.

Plantomaniac08
Sep 4, 2014 8:12 AM CST
Cinta,
Thanks for the explanation on the differences between yours and Lin's. I can better see the differences now.

Some of the pictures I found online for 'Crete' and 'Siam Aurora' look practically identical (then again, I know sometimes people mislabel their own plants and that's where confusion can begin; not referring to either you or Lin here). It doesn't help when the lighting can "mess up" colors and leaf variations. I know how bad it is to photograph a purple African Violet, only for it to appear blue (for example). And then there's always the case of different growing factors. You have two of the same plants grown in completely different locations and they don't look alike. How confusing! Yes, that's another factor, two different names for the same plant. Oh boy, maybe it's good I didn't become a Botanist or get heavily into that sort of thing lol.

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plantladylin
Sep 4, 2014 8:21 AM CST
My plant in the earlier photo had a nursery label with the name Aglaonema 'Crete' and when I saw someone post photos of their 'Black Cherry' I thought it was the same plant. I just figured maybe it was like the Codiaeum (Croton) plants ... different nurseries stick different cultivar names on plants that look identical but maybe there are slight differences?
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Cinta
Sep 4, 2014 9:11 AM CST
I see differences from my pic and your pic. When I google the names I never go by what the plant looks like in the pic on google unless it is a nursery pic.

Google pics are plant that people have posted and many times people ID their plants by what they think the name may be. Not actually a named plant from the nursery. Of course there are times that even nurseries label plants wrong.

I equate many plants as I said to Hostas and Heucheras. The slight difference of color gives it a different name.
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plantladylin
Sep 4, 2014 9:23 AM CST
LOL Cinta ... yep, nurseries mis-label plants too. We have many wholesale nurseries here in Florida and I was at one of our big-box stores last year and while looking at house plants, I found so many with wrong labels stuck in the pots ... not just a few but lots! As I was checking out I commented to the clerk about it and she asked me if I'd mind speaking to the lady from the nursery who was in the store at the time so I said sure. The nursery person asked me to show her what plants I'd found that were mis-labeled and I walked over to the houseplant/tropicals section and she was a bit stunned. She began pulling out all the plant stakes ... hoya plants had labels that said begonia, aglaonema had philodendron labels and on and on. She told me that she'd seen it before but not to such an extent and explained that many of the workers in the wholesale nursery did not speak english ... not a great excuse in my opinion. It's no wonder so many novice growers have trouble with their plants dying on them if they are going by the care on the label.
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Plantomaniac08
Sep 4, 2014 12:22 PM CST
Cinta,
The slight differences which in turn "creates" new names, only adds to the confusion some people have over plants. *sigh*

Lin,
I agree One plant has the label for a "high" light plant and it actually doesn't want any direct sun (not to the intensity of a true "high light" plant). Way to kill that plant as fast as possible. Hilarious!

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Cinta
Sep 4, 2014 12:41 PM CST
Planto, Lin I know it is all so confusing. I wish we could just call all plants "Pretty",

I realize that we need names sometime to understand how to keep them alive and growing and most times I do not bother with names. Especially in my gardens if it is a daylily or Hosta, or other plants in a family I know the care needed and names do not matter to me. I grow plants that I like and do not care about names.

The problem does come if people want to trade and looking for a specific plant named. But I do little trading if someone wants a plant that I post and ask I tell them it is not named and what you see is what you get. *Blush*
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plantladylin
Sep 4, 2014 1:02 PM CST
I don't care about the cultivar name of a plant but I do like to know the correct genus so that I can give provide the proper care. Many plants from entirely different genera can have the very exact "common" name or even cultivar name but being from different families their growing conditions of light, water requirements etc. might be totally different.
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Plantomaniac08
Sep 4, 2014 2:55 PM CST
I think it's nice to have a "name," but I agree, just knowing the genus is all you really need in figuring out its care. Smiling

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purpleinopp
Sep 5, 2014 8:20 AM CST
A plant that's inside all of the time vs. the same one that goes outside seasonally can look very different. Not as distinct with Ags as with something like Coleus, but still a factor I've seen on my own plants, fading/brightening.

Even though I've been into plants for decades, it's not always obvious if the names given to plants are cultivar names or fru-fru common names, like the ones EA gives to any plant that doesn't already have a cultivar name. One indicates a legitimate process by which a professional earns a living, the other is someone's whim. A lot of the problem is the lack of proper labels on plants. There's a correct way to write a botanical cultivar epithet, but when professional growers aren't using it, the whole system breaks down. Not knowing what you are growing is one thing, but being unable to correctly indicate names of known plants in simply a mistake, and bad example being perpetuated much more quickly/abundantly than correct labels. On EA website, all species start with a capital letter, and the section where one looks for plants by *genus* says it's sorted by *species* and includes a bunch of common names that aren't a genus or species.

Sometimes I retain a cultivar name if a plant comes with one, but would never attempt to attach one to a plant otherwise unless there's no doubt possible. (Like a variegated vs. plain leaf version, or alternative bloom color.) As a database issue, I think it's more helpful for people trying to ID plants if the plain species/parent plant has tons of pics. ID'ing to the cultivar level is, agreed, never necessary info for cultivating.

It will be interesting to see, now that Costa Farms has bought EA, if the labels will go generic ("succulent,") or just continue to be more specific, but not necessarily correct ("Tradescantia zebrina 'Red Hill'" that's sometimes Cyanotis somaliensis, sometimes Tradescantia blossfeldiana/cerinthoides - and "Coffea arabica" that's really Ardisia crenata.)
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skylark
Sep 6, 2014 7:05 PM CST
oh-oh! i think we have an old crew assembled here nodding smth rings the bell...crete..siam..black cherry...i knew i saw it before...
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/houseplt/msg0813463... - some nice links there to pretty pics Smiling
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Cinta
Sep 7, 2014 10:43 AM CST
There are some good pics in that post that is clear they are different. Although some are subtle there is visible difference. Thanks for the link.

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