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Sep 19, 2014 10:55 AM CST
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Name: Fiat
Modesto -The Central Valley of (Zone 9b)
Thanks for sharing experience on growing jasmine, Cinta and JB. I am kind of surprised to read JB's "hose watering" her jasmine! I thought I did that couple times and caused mine turn a few leaves yellow... so I hesitate now (anyway the weather is cooling off). But I'll remember "most jasmine love water" and won't let mine dry out too much.
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Sep 19, 2014 11:15 AM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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Sometimes it takes a full season for the plant to adjust, especially if roots has been disturbed.
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Sep 19, 2014 11:25 AM CST
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Fiat when my leave turned yellow it was because they needed more acid soil. I use MIRACLE-GRO Miracid just a little every time I watered. Not a lot just a pinch in the water.
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Sep 19, 2014 5:36 PM CST
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Fiat looking for Jewel orchids I found this. Maybe someone more knowledge than myself could give a thumbs up or down for this. It sounds like you could get a couple blooms a year from this.

Stephanotus floribunda
This vine is extremely popular due to the intensely fragrant flowers it produces. The common name is Hawaiian Wedding Flower since it is commonly used in bouquets as well. It is actually an easy to grow vine that blooms most heavily in the spring and fall although it does occasionally flower at other times of year. Train it around a bright window where you can enjoy the show and smell!
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Sep 19, 2014 5:43 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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With orchids, I know there are some who add a little epsom salt on their watering, it adds magnesium for the leaves. Maybe it can work too on your plant Fiat.
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Sep 20, 2014 10:23 AM CST
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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There are several reasons the leaves on a jasmine will turn color.

(Chlorosis ) One is the soil, when there is a lack of iron, the leaves will turn yellow or light green, sometimes off white and the veins will remain dark and the leaf stays strong.

If you take a plant and move it from one location to another and the amount of light it gets will change the color of the leaves. Shade loving plants in too much sun suddenly...they can actually get sunburned.

Low light will make the leaves turn grey and dry up.

Overwatering is more dangerous than underwatering. Leaves become papery , thin, fade and very often turn yellow starting from lower branches and the tips may turn brown and dry. Unfortunately the symptoms are nearly the same for both.

Low humidity can cause leaves to look dry, deformed and drop off.

Over fertilizing can cause leaves to wilt, turn grayish, sometimes dry on the tips and turn dark.
There are more, but these are the most common.
Just thought I would give you an idea of how many different things can affect the color of your leaves. Nothing is easy.
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Sep 20, 2014 1:40 PM CST
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Name: Fiat
Modesto -The Central Valley of (Zone 9b)
Oh, what a helping information on yellowing leaves of jasmine from you all (Cinta, Tarev, and JB). Thanks so much. Now it is my task to find out which cause is the one that make my jasmine undertake this common symptom of yellow leaf as JB suggested. Made a closed look again on my jasmine: no Chlorosis symptom (yellow leaves never turn white and they fall as not strong); no sunburn; not turning grey; not wilting or dry or turn dark. And the only remaining cause: overwatering, pretty much lead to the situation of my jasmine as JB described: "...turn yellow starting from lower branches and the tips may turn brown and dry..." AND FALL OFF (I add this as I observed). It has been only one week since my jasmine got home. I remember I watered once when arrived, watered again after repotting, and the third time shortly after as I saw the soil's pretty dry. So, I guess that's overwatering, right? Sadly now I see more leaves turn yellow and fall off, however the vine tops are still shooting up (the highest one starts turning and turning around for nothing to hold in the air; still waiting for a trellis coming next week). Another situation I was just wondering at night in my sleep that the weather is cooling off now especially in the night. Could it be the reason of change to cause those leaves turn yellow and fall off? (can't believe it's time of Fall reason already... ) I thought jasmine is evergreen? Anyway, I am tinkering to move my jasmine in from patio tonight... I thought it doesn't like the cold? Any comment? Thank you all.

Oh, Sinta. I think I have to focus on my jasmine now. As for another fragrant vine, maybe later. But thanks.
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Sep 20, 2014 3:00 PM CST
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Cold is fine just not frost and freezes. Nothing below 40
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Sep 20, 2014 10:54 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Fiat
Modesto -The Central Valley of (Zone 9b)
Surprise! Surprise! I heard the low rolling of thunder at dinner time with no sign of rain. Then at half way of my evening walking, it began to drip... and I was warned at my plants including my jasmine still in my uncovered patio! So I turned my way home and drip became bigger drops just in time for me to move all my plants in: one Boston Fern, 5 giant Aloes + 3 medium cacti, and my 16" pot Confed. Gee, I guess my winter worry is over for now. I hope all these plants will continue to receive enough sunlight from now on. (I really don't plan/expect to move them out/in until maybe after spring rain except my BF...) Actually I place my jasmine just inside the same sliding door/window that it was outside in patio before (now it's a roommate of my already indoor snake plants, jade plant, BF, and a baby spider plant (together with two parent spiders -- a precious gift from a garden angel in this forum). The blinded window faces south, but morning sunlight from east can get in also (I may have to roll in the whole blind if necessary). The giant aloes are placed behind another sliding door/window (also blinded) facing east and a bit away from a window facing south (may help). I also got a bunch of bamboo sticks from HD ($2) and made a simple trellis for my jasmine. At once the vines spiral up on it after sticking in the pot! Big Grin Big Grin (still hope no more yellow leaves)

Oh, what a day!
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Sep 20, 2014 11:06 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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Oh how nice for you, some drops of rain! I noticed a sudden pick up of wind here too..do not know if we will get any rain here.

I think rain at this time for the plants is not bad, the temps are warm. It will be dicey if it is already cold, like in the low 40's.
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Sep 21, 2014 8:08 AM CST
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Temps in the 60s even 50s and rain is wet gold for plants. Rain water is better than any water you can give your plants. Because I have lived in a cold climate and have pushed the limits I have found very few plants that fall over and die from rain water even chilly rain water.

I know you warm people think 50s and 60s is cold but it really is not. Rolling on the floor laughing Cool and rain is the best thing for plants because heat stress plants. Where as cool and moisture relaxes them to drink and grow. Notice I said cool not cold.
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Sep 21, 2014 8:31 AM CST
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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According to Top Tropicals, and I do think their information on Jasmine is the best, most tropicals stop the growing process below 65 deg and can get cold damage below 45 - 50F, some ultra-tropicals can be severely damaged or killed with temps. below 55F. It is not always just the temperature factor but the duration of the cold periods. Chilly winds are even more dangerous and can destroy a plant in a matter of minutes even if the air temp does not seem to be critical.Symptoms are: leaves get dry, often by segments. Growing points dry off and die. Hope this helps. Years ago Top Tropicals put out a small booklet on Jasmine Sambac and one on Troubleshooting First Aid Kit. They were so very helpful to me when I first began propagating jasmine because I had no one to talk to and no way of knowing who to ask. I learned from doing and many lost cuttings....but, all is well that ends well and it is fine now. I love sharing information to people who really care. Thumbs up
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Sep 21, 2014 11:21 AM CST
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Name: Fiat
Modesto -The Central Valley of (Zone 9b)
Well, last night it's just a short run of some rain drops... It could be no harm and even good for plants as Cinta stated, but to the safe side and my always worrisome mind I think my move-in made no loss but peace of mind. Any way I can't sleep at night having an image of my soaking aloes out there in patio (who knows it won't become long down pour?). Now it's done and I have no regret. Thanks JB for the specific info on growing jasmine. I need to remember this basic: jasmine is a tropical. I am not living in a tropical, but desert-like area. These reminders are important, yet hard to follow as very often they conflict our daily life. I'll check Top Tropicals up and see if I can find some good info.

Thanks all and enjoy the Fall season coming.
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Sep 21, 2014 12:31 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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Having my weather station helped me a lot Fiat. It gives me sensor readings of outdoor and indoor temps and relative humidity and some hit/miss future forecast. As much as there are weather forecast available on the news or on the internet, there is a significant variance due to the location as well of their sensors. That is why I also take note of the actual readings in my little space.

You may want to explore that aspect so you can gauge humidity levels, which is really important for the your growing plant collection. Smiling
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Oct 3, 2014 2:34 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Fiat
Modesto -The Central Valley of (Zone 9b)
Ok, it's just a bit cooled down here as the Fall is coming. My jasmine has been doing just ok, I think, since moved inside. I think it's not 'thriving' at this moment probably because of insufficient sunlight (have spotted a place it can receive maximum light though). All I heard is that indoor jasmine need 4-6 hrs of direct sunlight a day in winter time. Sadly I find no way I can provide that luxury for mine Sad Anyone suggest my jasmine is doomed for the coming winter?

On the other hand, all I read about jasmine (and many other vines) points to a common scenario that they all go dormant in winter under hush weather... Those vine gardener experts almost all suggest that as the vines go dormant, trim off diseased, dried, dead branches/leaves and reduce water amount... so is this suggesting it's ok for the indoor jasmine if not enough sunlight received in winter for they go dormant anyway?

And nobody describes what would happen other than stop growing when jasmine go dormant in winter? Will they further wither, shed leaves, change leaf/branch color, ... ? I am just nervous to try getting everything ready for the winter for my jasmine and would like to know what will happen and what I can expect when the cold season (may go under 40F outside here in the desert) comes. Hope will receive good advice here especially from the experienced jasmine growers. Thanks
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Oct 3, 2014 3:56 PM CST
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
I had backed off because I think sometime too much info can be bad too.

I can only tell you how I grew mine. I did not grow it as a houseplant to look good. My goal was winter storage to go outside on the patio in the summer for the fragrant flowers.

Because the plant would be hardy in your area in the ground I would think it would be normal for it to slow down and sleep for the winter. It is hardy zone 8 - 10. That hardiness zone it would be expected to go to sleep and rest for the winter. I am a zone 6 so I had to bring it inside for the winter.

If they are saying it is hardy to zone 8 that zone would get some low temps below 50.

That said....... since I was growing it for summer beauty. I brought it in when my temps were going to frost. That is 32. So it came inside and was put in a cool room 50-60. It lost most of the leaves and I gave it enough water so the soil was not bone dry. Which was usually every 4-6 weeks. When I put it outside for the summer, it started to grow fresh leaves and it bloomed Spring and Summer.

If I was in your zone I would leave the plant outside and only bring it inside if I was going to get frost. 32 or below.

I am not sure but I think you want a houseplant that is fragrant. If you want a plant that is pretty indoor and outdoor 12 months a year you may have to look for something that is tropical that blooms fragrant flowers.
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Oct 3, 2014 5:07 PM CST
Indianapolis (Zone 5b)
Try a Night Blooming Cereus/Orchid Cactus. They only bloom at night between 8pm-midnight. The blooms are as big as a dinner plate (9-10 inches) and will fill the entire house with their fragrance. Not everyone likes the fragrance though. I found the scent not unpleasant but was somewhat of a chemical smell. Unfortunately I do not have a good picture of the plant itself although you can see part of it in the window shot. If you google Orchid Cactus or Night Blooming Cereus you can see the plant. You can see the bloom next to the ruler that the bud just before opening is 5-6 inches long. When it begins to open around 8 ish then it opens really fast over the next hour and you can almost see it unfurling.


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Oct 3, 2014 7:25 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Fiat
Modesto -The Central Valley of (Zone 9b)
Cinta, Thanks for replying and sharing your experience. The info you shared is exactly what I would like to know: what happen when jasmine go dormant... "It lost most of the leaves and I gave it enough water so the soil was not bone dry. Which was usually every 4-6 weeks. When I put it outside for the summer, it started to grow fresh leaves and it bloomed Spring and Summer..." Actually that is also exactly what I expect and hope to happen for my jasmine (well, maybe not as down/bad as in your zone there). So I am a bit relieved as I know what's to happen is normal and not the end. I do not expect my jasmine would give me a year round beauty and fragrance to enjoy, but maybe half year or more of joy will be fully satisfying. Also I think I would be pleasantly inspired by many plants they go some kind of dormant and come back vigorously like a re-born new life (as long as they don't go all the way to the end and never come back Rolling my eyes. ). As for a fragrant houseplant, I may have one set for this winter: the Amaryllis Blossom Peacock. I'll receive the bulb (together with one A. Samba w/o fragrance) in this late Oct and I hope to force them bloom at Christmas (more likely be early next year). Similarly, these amaryllis bulbs also go kind of dormant (most likely in Fall) to re-build for re-bloom again next year... Well I think my rookie year of houseplant growing is full of excitement, surprise, crisis, sadness, failure, learning (from all you gardening gurus), experimenting, joy of tear, and mostly hope and wish for next year (this year not end though).

Shade, Thanks for the recommendation of the orchid Cactus. Your description is very interesting to me except the fragrance with chemical smell part. May consider it in the future.
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Oct 4, 2014 11:37 AM CST
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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@fiat, I hope I did not add to your confusion. If I did I am sorry. I did not realize you were not talking about Jasmine as a houseplant....you all live where you can have them outside most of the time. My only experience is with the Jasmine Sambac and the Star or Royal that are houseplants. I can tell you that none of the Jasmine I grow ever go dormant over the winter, so you must be talking about a different variety. I will hush up now so I do not confuse you more.
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Oct 4, 2014 2:59 PM CST
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
I think I what confused is it is in the house plant forum but when I read that the plant purchased was a Star (Confederate) Jasmine I realized it was the plant I had for years........This is what I found when I was trying to figure out what to do with the plant.

"Star jasmine vines (Trachelospermum jasminoides) are not true jasmine plants, but they do look similar. The foliage is dark green and glossy, and it bears fragrant white flowers during the spring and summer. The vines grow quickly, and work well on a trellis, arbor or as ground cover. Star jasmine requires partial to full sun and warm weather, and it grows best in U.S. Department of Agriculture plant hardiness zones 8 through 11. Star jasmine is easy to care for and grows quickly with minimal maintenance and fertilization."

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