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Sep 9, 2014 10:30 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mother Raphaela
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I'm not in Florida but prefer not to use Miracle-Gro products since they are owned by Scott's, which is aligned with Monsanto (they are the exclusive agent of Monsanto's Roundup). Monsanto is one of the largest chemical companies primarily responsible for the death of family farms in America and the explosive growth of the inhuman treatment of animals on factory farms. We are farmers, and resent that today, we are put in the same category. (Our animals have happy lives, most of them living longer than they would in the wild... All of this over making a profit. Better lives for shareholders through chemistry!)
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Sep 9, 2014 10:05 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Elfie, why do central Florida MG's NOT recommend Miracle-Gro?
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Sep 9, 2014 10:25 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I personally think there is a lot is misinformation when it comes to cypress harvesting. There are regulations in place not only in FL but all the southern states that protect our wetlands. There are also federal regulations controlling cutting in wetlands.

I know in Mississippi and Louisiana, far more cypress growth takes place than that lost to harvesting, something like 5X. Also, approximately 2% of the harvested board feet of trees in Louisiana is cypress and of that, only 20% is used as mulch. That's a miniscule amount of board feet. As often as not, pine is planted where cypress is harvested but not replanted.

Cypress mulch lasts the homeowner longer than either "hardwood" or pine mulch and is resistant to terminate infestation. Those two facts alone make cypress a valuable mulch.

If one wants to worry about loss of trees, he/she ought to spend time worrying about the loss of our hardwoods, not cypress.

That's just my opinion.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Sep 9, 2014 10:31 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mother Raphaela
Holy Myrrhbearers Monastery NY (Zone 4b)
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I can't speak to cypress mulch... There is a lot of misinformation about peat mulch as well...
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Sep 9, 2014 10:41 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Mother, I have never heard of peat being used as a mulch.

I think all of us would be opposed to inhumane treatment of animals, whether farm or pets. Of course, one could argue that ANY farm animal is treated inhumanely if it is grown to be slaughtered............ Whistling Look at it from the animal's point-of-view. Shrug!

I am not quite sure what the chemical companies have to do with the loss of our family farms, but I trust there must be a connection somewhere.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Sep 9, 2014 11:15 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Ken, here's an extremist view of the Monsanto story going around. Sadly at least some of what's written in this article is true. eg. they were responsible for much of the dioxin pollution of the 60's and 70's, and were the first big corporation to make a career of defending their toxic products in court.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/t...

The mulch that is made from cypress by-products of the lumber harvest is considered ok, environmentally. The bark and branches are chipped up and used for good mulch. It used to have a designation, "cypress A" is lumber by-product and "cypress B" was not acceptable trees harvested just for mulch. Harvesting of cypress in Florida strictly for mulch production is no longer happening, from what I understand. So I think the only cypress mulch you can get here is cypress A, and is sustainably used by-product.

The right mulch to use here in Florida is definitely Florimulch, made from invasive Melaleuca trees.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Sep 20, 2014 6:44 PM CST
Name: Elfrieda
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Sorry I didn't reply sooner on the Miracle Gro issue. We were told that it has a lot of salts in it.
“I was just sittin’ here enjoyin’ the company. Plants got a lot to say, if you take the time to listen”
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Sep 20, 2014 6:54 PM CST
Name: Elfrieda
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Sorry I didn't reply sooner on the Miracle Gro issue. We were told that it has a lot of salts in it. There's a lot of information out there on this fertilizer. Here's one link. http://20-30somethinggardengui...

I did not know that about the link with Scott's and Monsanto and Round Up, which again we're advised not to use. It has atrazine in it which has been linked to Parkinson's disease.
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Sep 20, 2014 7:12 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mother Raphaela
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drdawg said:Mother, I have never heard of peat being used as a mulch.

I think all of us would be opposed to inhumane treatment of animals, whether farm or pets. Of course, one could argue that ANY farm animal is treated inhumanely if it is grown to be slaughtered............ Whistling Look at it from the animal's point-of-view. Shrug!

I am not quite sure what the chemical companies have to do with the loss of our family farms, but I trust there must be a connection somewhere.

Ken, Peat is rarely (although sometimes) used straight as a mulch because it doesn't absorb water well when it has dried out. Up here, though, we do see people mixing it in with topsoil to aid in a form of self-mulch.

As for the animals, in the wild today because we've taken away their habitat and removed their natural predators, animals like deer especially are starving to death (not a happy way to die). Where coyotes have moved in, they are also a natural slaughter house for deer and other animals. Mountain lions I think are pretty much at the top of the food chain, and they are making a slight comeback here in upstate NY -- some shepherds have complained of losses -- because the human population is dropping and the deer population rising... At a humane slaughterhouse the animals are not frightened and literally don't know what hit them -- death by starvation or predation aren't nearly as painless...

I don't have time to go into the link between chemical companies and family farms, other than to mention that Monsanto is indeed taking people, mainly farmers, to court if they don't use their products. Forget heritage seeds... Hopefully other people can explain this. MR
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Sep 20, 2014 7:52 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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orchidgal said:
I did not know that about the link with Scott's and Monsanto and Round Up, which again we're advised not to use. It has atrazine in it which has been linked to Parkinson's disease.


I don't know if you have different formulations there, but the typical active ingredient in Roundup isn't atrazine but glyphosate.
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Sep 22, 2014 7:56 PM CST
Name: Elfrieda
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Sooby -- you are correct. it must have been well my bed time when I posted about atrazine and roundup ! I also made another mistake. Roundup is linked to non-Hodgkins lymphoma; not Parkinson's. Sorry about the misinformation.
“I was just sittin’ here enjoyin’ the company. Plants got a lot to say, if you take the time to listen”
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Sep 23, 2014 4:47 AM CST
Name: Vickie
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Monsanto is taking farmers to court because they are buying seeds one year and then saving seeds from that crop to plant the following year. So Monsanto says this is "seed patent infringement". I hope there are other companies to buy seeds from, because this is ridiculous. Not to mention the nasty GMO factor!!

Here's an article from 2013 about the lawsuit:
http://www.naturalnews.com/039...
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Sep 23, 2014 10:25 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mother Raphaela
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blue23rose said:
Monsanto is taking farmers to court because they are buying seeds one year and then saving seeds from that crop to plant the following year. So Monsanto says this is "seed patent infringement". I hope there are other companies to buy seeds from, because this is ridiculous. Not to mention the nasty GMO factor!!

Here's an article from 2013 about the lawsuit:
http://www.naturalnews.com/039...

I agree MR
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Sep 23, 2014 7:01 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
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Yes, it was a huge mistake to ever start issuing "patents" on seeds!
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Sep 24, 2014 9:50 AM CST
Name: Elfrieda
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida (Zone 10a)
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I read somewhere that Monsanto has ruined a number of farmers, especially in India where they would traditionally save their seeds. Monsanto initially gave them seeds but they aren't allowed to harvest the seed for the following year. They can't afford to keep buying. What on earth is happening to our world?
“I was just sittin’ here enjoyin’ the company. Plants got a lot to say, if you take the time to listen”
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Sep 24, 2014 11:01 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mother Raphaela
Holy Myrrhbearers Monastery NY (Zone 4b)
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It is frightening. We need to support organizations like the Seed Savers' Exchange which is working to counteract this... MR
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Sep 24, 2014 11:33 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
SeedWise.com might also be worth looking at.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Sep 24, 2014 12:09 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mother Raphaela
Holy Myrrhbearers Monastery NY (Zone 4b)
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Someone pointed out to us recently that we no longer are ruled by kings, but a company like Monsanto is gaining control of us in a way no king could have dreamed of... Thank goodness more seed companies are taking the "safe seed" pledge. Who would guess that just raising your own seeds could become a form of political guerrilla warfare!
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Sep 26, 2014 2:25 PM CST
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Sep 26, 2014 6:12 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mother Raphaela
Holy Myrrhbearers Monastery NY (Zone 4b)
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That is even scarier than what I had read before. MR

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