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Oct 9, 2014 8:08 PM CST
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I have seen many females, all black, with the classic red "hour glass" (way too many of them, actually) but I have never seen one like this?
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Oct 10, 2014 7:15 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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It appears to be a male from what I can see of the palps. There's more than one widow spider, your location could help (you can add it to your profile).

http://bugguide.net/node/view/...
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Oct 10, 2014 7:29 AM CST
Name: Paul
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Looks like it to me...........
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Oct 10, 2014 7:44 AM CST
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Thanks Janet,
yes, I had looked on there...thought maybe a brown widow? but I am in northern Utah--

I'm primarily interested in learning how fearful I need to be about this spider because it is kind of 'in my way'
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Oct 10, 2014 7:48 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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I've come to the conclusion it's 'probably' a Brown Widow, Latrodectus geometricus. I checked one of your photos in the plant database and found you are in Utah, which is in it's distribution or at least adjacent to.

http://www.spiders.us/species/...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/...

The Brown Widow Spider does have an hourglass but it is typically an orange shade rather than the vivid red of a black widow


http://cisr.ucr.edu/brown_wido...
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Oct 12, 2014 10:58 AM CST
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Name: Dirt
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Or perhaps the Western Black Widow, L. hesperus,
males brown and can have orange hourglass

http://bugguide.net/node/view/...
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Oct 12, 2014 11:56 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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That seems possible!

Latrodectus hesperus ...

The preserved male has a black 'chest' where the live one has a pale median stripe on this Utah uni site .. they only show Latrodectus Hesperus.

http://utahpests.usu.edu/uppdl...

Photos on the Californian edu site show a pale stripe ..

http://nathistoc.bio.uci.edu/s...

There's only one photo showing the 'chest' of the male Latrodectus geometricus ...

http://nathistoc.bio.uci.edu/s...

One on bugguide of Latrodectus hesperus shows all black 'chest' ..

http://bugguide.net/node/view/...
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