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Feb 16, 2010 5:24 PM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
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That is one huge plant. Beautiful.
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Feb 16, 2010 5:41 PM CST
Name: Debra joeswife
Derby,Kansas (Zone 6b)
AWSOME!
Your Mind is a Garden, Your Thoughts are the Seeds, You can grow Flowers or You can grow Weeds.
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Feb 16, 2010 5:53 PM CST
Name: Steve Lucas
Siloam Springs, AR
John, I've never seen my E. aureum bloom. I am hoping it might bloom this season since it is approaching the 15 foot level. My leaves look like your's but the largest are even more elongated. I'll check more of the scientific sites and see if I can find a photo or description of the inflorescence.

You can see the adult leaf of Epipremnum pinnatum with an inflorescence here:

http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2...

It isn't uncommon to find the two species confused in some scientific info but in may last conversation with Pete (several years ago) he explained the are truly different.

Steve
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Feb 16, 2010 6:15 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
Hi Steve,

How might I contact Peter Boyce.

Here is Golden Pothos overwhelming a coastal forest.

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Feb 16, 2010 6:21 PM CST
Name: Steve Lucas
Siloam Springs, AR
Send me a private note: [email protected]

I'll gladly give you his email.

Steve
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Feb 16, 2010 7:16 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
Thanks Steve!

I tip my hat to you.
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Feb 16, 2010 7:17 PM CST
Name: Steve Lucas
Siloam Springs, AR
I decided I would go ahead and post the scientific article that likely lead to the conclusion Epipremnum aureum and Epipremnum pinnatum are one and the same along with a brief explanation.

As you will see there is a cultivar name in single quotes after the name Epipremnum pinnatum. Epipremnum aureum has since been divided out as a unique species and not one and the same as Epipremnum pinnatum. If you visit the Royal Botanic Garden Kew website CATE Araceae you will find the two are distinct. http://www.cate-araceae.org/in...
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Since this article describes Epipremnum aureum many people drew a bad conclusion thinking this plant is only a variation of Epipremnum pinnatum.

The plant many of us grow as "Pothos" is actually Epipremnum aureum but even that is a variation, The wild plant does not normally have the variegation and the blades appear somewhat different in the wild as well. The other names are synonyms.

This is technical but worth reading. The more any collector learns to understand a scientific description the more you learn about your plants. The Oxford Botanical Dictionary will help you understand all these terms and can be purchased cheaply on Amazon.com

Steve


Epipremnum pinnatum 'Aureum'

Epipremnum pinnatum (L.) Engl. 'Aureum' (see Nicolson, Allertonia 1 (1978) 347.) -- Pothos aureus Linden & André, Ill. Hort. 27 (1880) 69. -- Scindapsus aureus (Linden & André) Engl. in Engl., Pflanzenr. 37 (IV.23B) (1908) 80. -- Rhaphidophora aurea (Linden & André) Birdsey, Baileya 10 (1963, ‘1962’) 159 --
[Rhaphidophora aurea (Linden & André) Furtado, Gard. Bull. Singapore 20 (1964) 379, comb. superfl.]

Epipemnum aureum (Linden & André) G.S. Bunting, Ann. Missouri Bot. Gard. 50 (1964, ‘1963’) 28. --
Type: Ill. Hort. 27 (1880) pl. 381. Epipremnum mooreense Nadeaud, J. de Botanique 13 (1899): 6. Type: ****, Nadeaud s.n. (P holo!)

Very large root-climber to 16 m. Pre-adult plant usually forming modest terrestrial colonies. Adult plant with stem 5--40 mm diam., internodes 2--30 cm long, separated by prominent leaf scars, with prominent irregular whitish longitudinal crests, older stems with distinctive matt to sub-lustrous orange-brown papery epidermis growing stems mid-green to pale yellow-green, occasionally with obscure large dull yellow to white variegations. Flagellate foraging shoots common, these arising high in the canopy and reaching the ground. Aerial roots of two types, clasping roots densely arising from nodes and internodes, feeding roots prolific, both strongly adherent to substrate and free, both root types pubescent, mid- to dark brown, growing tip pale brown-yellow, feeding roots later prominently lenticellate. Cataphylls and prophylls soon drying and then degrading to netted sheaths, these sparsely clothing upper stem and mostly soon falling. Foliage leaves scattered on lower stem, becoming clustered distally. Petiole 19.5--50 cm x 3--15 mm, canaliculate, smooth, mid-green to rather bright yellow-green, airdrying mid- to dark brown; apical geniculum 16--50 x 3--8 mm, smooth, basal geniculum 3--7 x 1--1.5 cm, both genicula barely on not greater in diameter than petiole; petiolar sheath extending to up to mid-way along apical geniculum, at first sub-membranaceous, soon drying chartaceous and degrading to untidy, slightly netted weak fibres, then falling to leave a smooth, mid-brown scar. Lamina 10--93 x 5--60 cm, entire to irregularly pinnatifid, ovate to elliptic in outline, sub-coriaceous, apex acute to acuminate, base moderately cordate, divisions pinnatifid to pinnatipartite; pinnae up to half the length of the lamina wide, apex truncate; terminal pinna, if present, smooth-margined, some leaves with few minute pellucid dots adjacent to the midrib in leaves, pellucid dots rarely
perforating and almost never enlarging, lamina dull to somewhat glossy mid-green; slightly paler beneath, usually irregularly yellow or white variegated, rarely entirely mid-green; pinnae each with 1 (very rarely more except for the terminal pinna) compound primary lateral vein and several to rather many interprimary veins, these diverging from midrib at c. 70°, individual elements of the compound vein diverging at c. 10° from various points along the pinna, the vein thus becoming finer towards the margin; interprimary and secondary venation mostly remaining sub-parallel to compound primary vein, some weaker elements further dividing and becoming sub-reticulate, all other higher order venation conspicuously reticulate, midrib impressed above, very prominently raised beneath, lower order venation slightly impressed to almost flush above, variously raised beneath, higher order venation flush above, flush or nearly so beneath in fresh material but raised and rather conspicuous in dried specimens.

Inflorescences several together, first inflorescence subtended by a usually fully developed foliage leaf and a swiftly disintegrating cataphyll, at anthesis partially to almost completely exposed. Peduncle c. 6 cm x 10--15 mm, stout, terete, pale green to yellow-green. Spathe canoe-shaped, shortly acuminate, spreading wide at anthesis and margins reflexing, c. 15 cm x 6--7 cm when pressed flat, exterior green, later whitish, interior whitish, airdrying dark brown. Spadix 17--19 x 2--3 cm, sessile, cylindrical, bluntly tapering towards the apex, base slightly obliquely inserted, whitish, air-drying almost black. Flowers 3--5 mm diam.; ovary 4--6 x 3--5 mm, cylindrical, basal part slightly compressed; ovules 2 ; stylar region 3--5 x 2.5--5.5 mm, trapezoid, rather robust, apex flattened, margins somewhat raised in dry material; stigma linear, 2--6 x 0.1--0.5 mm, longitudinal; stamens 4; filaments c. 6 x 0.5 mm; anthers narrowly ellipsoid, c. 1.5 x 0.75--1 mm;.Distribution - Unknown in the wild, alleged to have originated in the Solomon Islands.
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Feb 16, 2010 9:47 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
Mahalo Steve!

That's a wealth of information!

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Feb 17, 2010 7:38 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
May I please ask what is in the photo? Seeds, crystals?
You have my attention......thanks
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Feb 17, 2010 8:18 AM CST
Name: Dawn
Eastern KY Zone 6
Yeah, Dave, who are your crystals? Interesting showing the rough form and then cut stones :). I prefer minerals in the raw, but it is fascinating how cutting/polishing transforms them.
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Feb 18, 2010 8:21 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
Those are different types of Beryl.

Thanks to Steve, a misconception in Hawaiian botany (and hopefully elsewhere) has been corrected.

Previously, Epipremnum aureum had been lumped into Epipremnum pinnatum 'Aureum'.
Steve explained the difference in the two species, and exposed a widespread textual error.

Yesterday I found the two very different species in the field!

Here is <i>Epipremnum pinnatum
in the Wa'a Wa'a kipuka in lower Puna.
Notice the deeply cut (pinnate) leaves.

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Feb 18, 2010 8:28 PM CST
Name: Steve Lucas
Siloam Springs, AR
Great example! If you'll email the photo I'd like to add it to my page!

Steve
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Feb 18, 2010 8:42 PM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
The photo in this post shows Epipremnum aureum. It's mature form shows pinnate cuts in the leaves, but it clearly looks like a different plant than the previous post. (Regardless of the variegation in the leaf.)

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Feb 18, 2010 10:38 PM CST
Name: Steve Lucas
Siloam Springs, AR
Also great. Most people have no idea the little plant you buy at KMart or Walmart grows to this size. I have some in the atrium this big but they are tough to photograph since I can't climb a ladder anymore. I conned a friend into putting a long ladder to the top of our atrium to get some of them on my camera.

For those that read my posts on how plants morph as they become adults this is what I was trying to explain. Every single Philodendron, Anthurium, Monstera and others do this with the exception of two Philos, one of which is Philodendron pusillum. That one and one cousin always stay small but both are difficult to find. I am donating my specimen of P. pusillum to the Missouri Botanical Garden because they haven't been able to get one.

http://www.exoticrainforest.co...



Send this one too!

Steve
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Feb 19, 2010 4:45 AM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
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Feb 19, 2010 4:56 AM CST
Name: Dave Paul
Puna, HI (Zone 10b)
Live in a rainforest, get wet feet.
Plant Identifier
All is well.
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Feb 19, 2010 10:48 AM CST
Name: Debra joeswife
Derby,Kansas (Zone 6b)
It is good to see that Epipremnum aureum, I had a little walmart piece two years ago. Last year I set it out by a shaded fence corner. .. the leaves grew huge and it tripled in size. Can't wait to see it get going again this year, going to move it to the base of the tall oak tree about three feet south of where it was. I LOVE the marbling on it..
Your Mind is a Garden, Your Thoughts are the Seeds, You can grow Flowers or You can grow Weeds.
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Feb 19, 2010 2:19 PM CST

I wish my walmart sold them! I guess I can't complain though. Last year I got 2 large white bird of paradise, a green cordyline and a red cordyline! Not to mention a new variety of dieffenbachia and a rhapis palm.
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Feb 19, 2010 7:11 PM CST
Name: Steve Lucas
Siloam Springs, AR
Anyone that wants BIG cuttings just remind me in the spring. We throw away huge chuncks of this species every year since it grows so fast. I can send you stem sections 3/4 inch thick and 6 feet long if you like. You just pay the postage.

Steve
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Feb 20, 2010 3:44 PM CST

Steve-

You can count on hearing from me! I will take all you can give me! Spring is 30 days from now! Count on hearing from me!

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