Tropicals forum: Do the Meconoctigmas Grow a Replacement Head?!

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etan
Nov 23, 2014 2:24 AM CST
Purchased P. Goeldii from an Internet merchant(NSET). Wonderfully packed, but the new cataphyll is empty and calloused center ( can not believe such a thing happen in two days travel from Florida to New Jersey). Should I expect this plantlet to grow another head, or keep it for a decade and see if an ostrich egg pops out. Will be happy if someone is interested to help with an advice. Thank you!
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Name: Kate
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karmatree
Nov 26, 2014 1:19 PM CST
I have never heard of any of those things! Please post here if you find the answer somewhere else.
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plantladylin
Nov 26, 2014 3:34 PM CST
etan: Do you have a photo of the entire plant? I've personally never seen a Philodendron goeldii but the stems (what I can see of them from your photo) look alive and healthy. I'm not sure what you mean when you say the cataphyll on your plant is empty? Could it be that the once the leaf emerged the cataphyll dried up and fell off? That would be normal with some philodendrons. Hopefully someone more familiar with this particular Philo will pop in with some advice.

karmatree: Here ya go, I copied and pasted this from Wikipedia:

"Philodendrons also produce cataphylls, which are modified leaves that surround and protect the newly forming leaves. Cataphylls are usually green, leaf-like, and rigid while they are protecting the leaf. In some species, they can even be rather succulent. Once the leaf has been fully formed, the cataphyll usually remains attached where the stem and base of the leaf meet. In philodendrons, cataphylls typically fall into two categories: deciduous and persistent types.[14] A deciduous cataphyll curls away from the leaf once it has formed, eventually turning brown and drying out, and finally falling off the plant, leaving a scar on the stem where it was attached. Deciduous cataphylls are typically found on vining philodendrons, whereas persistent cataphylls are typical of epiphytic philodendrons or appressed climbers. In the latter, the cataphylls are prevented from falling off in a timely manner due to the short internodes of the plant. The cataphylls will remain attached, drying out and becoming nothing more than fibers attached at the nodes. In some philodendrons, the cataphylls build up over time and eventually form a wet mass at the nodes. This may keep emerging roots moist and provide some form of lubrication to new leaves."
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plantladylin
Nov 26, 2014 3:36 PM CST
etan: I also think one of the more proficient Aroid growers would be able to help over on the Aroid forum: http://garden.org/forums/view/aroids/ A lot of members who visit that forum are avid Philodendron growers.
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mjsponies
Nov 26, 2014 9:04 PM CST
Contact the seller and ask them. They would probably be alot more familiar with your issue.
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dyzzypyxxy
Nov 27, 2014 9:58 PM CST
I'd for sure contact the seller, and send them that picture you posted just in case the plant doesn't thrive for you.

But you might only have to wait until summer to see if it's going to put up a new head and take off. Not all that likely it would be putting on new growth right now anyway, I wouldn't think. We've had some pretty cold weather even down here in FL and it's most likely dormant.
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Name: Kate
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karmatree
Nov 28, 2014 4:42 PM CST
Thanks for the info. I still am not sure if I've ever heard of a Meconoctigmas or an "ostrich egg coming out?" Please enlighten, I am always learning!!
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plantladylin
Nov 28, 2014 6:00 PM CST
Kate, I find scientific names to be confusing but apparently the genus Philodendron has been subdivided into three subgenera: Meconostigma, Pteronostigma and Philodendron. You can read about the Meconostigma type Philodendrons here: http://www.blueboard.com/pahatan/

I'm not sure about etan's comment regarding the "Ostrich Egg" ... I thought maybe it was a joke. Green Grin!
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etan
Nov 29, 2014 1:39 AM CST
Thank you All for your replies! I have to admit, my post was driven by a bit of disappointment that's why the spontaneous use of sarcastic metaphor ( the ostrich egg = something that would never happen) when decapitate a meconostigma. Contacted the seller and the reply is: " I’m sorry about that. I broke the previous leaf while I was packing it. It is not the growth tip and the next leaf should come out fine." "Previous" obviously means the youngest or the last. And just as DYZZYPYXXY predicted I have to wait until summer to see if a new leaf appears. A few days before Goeldii I found LaryAnn's Jungle Whisper (on the left in the last two pics) and wanted very much to see how they grow in time next to each other. Both are seedlings but G. is parent of JW. That all thing with the damage plant threw a bucket with ice on my head and I am calming down ready for a grey and dreary nj winter. Am I a meco-nut - don't know. But I have a patience - upstairs, under the south window three cryosophilas are giving me one leaf per year ( they are my "speed demons").

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Name: Kate
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karmatree
Nov 29, 2014 6:48 AM CST
Ohhhh! Something is always lost in translation via text!!!

Philodendrons are such a confusing group to me. There's so much variation between the species....that Goeldii looks like an Umbrella tree to me when I googled it, the Jungle Whisper looks like an Elephant Ear and the philodendrons I have growing don't look similar at all! Now I'm not even sure mine are philodendrons.

Are yours epiphytic?
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Carter
Nov 29, 2014 8:23 AM CST
Meconostigma is a group of self-heading (non-vining) philodendrons, however, they aren't like most palm trees in that if the "head" dies, the plant dies. P. goeldii can still produce a new head (or heads) anywhere there is a leaf axil.

etan
Nov 29, 2014 2:05 PM CST
Yes karmatree, some Goeldii are. Researching them as a hobbyist, read that some "if lucky" get closer to the sun, hung out below the tree crowns and if the crown breaks, they throw roots like a spider-man. On the ground they trunk.
Carter, that's my hope. Checked the base of the seedling and there are two light green pimples. Will see. Promise an update with a pic, in May. Hehehe...

p.s still cannot up two pics

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