Neal I got my solero from Chamblee Rose Nursery. Funny my Julia Child is own root. It's big gorgeous healthy and booms a lot. First three years I had it in 6 hours sun light moist well drained soil. It did not do well. Put in extra lot with morning to evening sun and very little extra care (see above performance). Go Figure.
I've been there with you on the rrd. Imagine growing roses where Japanese beetles and rrd does not exist. Oh heck while I'm dreaming might as well throw rose midge and thrip in there also.

Patty, thanks- that gives me hope for JC. Now she's in a spot that gets 4-5 hours of sun, but I think I'll move her to full sun and see what happens.

Speaking of Japanese beetles, for the last couple of years, I've seen very few of them. As nice as that has been, I have to wonder where did they go?

They came north.

10-15 years ago, I would have stated Japanese beetles as one of my biggest challenges in Rose growing. During that time I started growing a lot of older, 1 time bloomers, that were finished well before Japanese beetles arrived. While JBs haven't been prevalent the last few years, those that are nearby are drawn to yellow and white Rose blooms in particular.

Neal in my yard they go for tall and fragrant roses first followed by short and fragrant. Their least favorites here anyway are unscented roses. White Out and Home Run are not bothered as much. But I keep something they prefer or they'll move to any rose. I used to grow a lot of old garden roses that bloomed several times a year. The only parts left on some where the canes. Japanese beetles are why I started grow type 3 clematis and daylilies. They bloom in summer while the beetles are eating all the roses. Then the roses take center stage again when beetles are gone. As far as yellow goes (my favorite color) seems to be a popular color for all the worst rose bugs/insects.
I certainly hope rrd stays away from your garden. Best Wishes! Pat

Okay, now it really feels like Christmas- I just placed my Palatine order for spring! Daydreaming about the Roses will go a long way toward getting me through winter

I ordered:
floribundas-
Grimm Brothers Fairy Tale

Lion's Fairy Tale

Cinderella Fairy Tale

Golden Fairy Tale

Elegant Fairy Tale

Caramella Fairy Tale

Floral Fairy Tale

Poseidon

Alchemist (cl)

Berolina, (HT)

Beverly (HT)


Please share any experiences you've had with any of these varieties.

Beautiful ones, Neal. A generous someone here let me piggy-back a Kordes Black Forest onto their Palatine order.
Black Forest Rose

That's a lovely one Debra, and you got in on them before they sold out! Kordes roses have intrigued me for a long time, I'm glad to see more sources offering them.

These folks were in the starting blocks waiting for ordering to open to make SURE they got what they wanted before Palatine sold out. I happened across the thread just in time. Now all I have to do is figure out where I'm going to plant it.

Now I'm perusing Garden Valley Ranch and Regan's, that should help with getting through winter too. I have a feeling I'm going to be plunking roses everywhere I can squeeze them in, making up for lost time LOL!

Great selection, Neal. I think you couldn't find Poseidon because you were spelling it "Poseiden.".

Rose (Rosa 'Novalis')

Thanks zuzu, fixing that- good to be able to remove "duh" moments, LOL

I'll start with the HT's. I never had one but a few of the Kordes HTs are wearing down my resistance. Not sure how much longer I can hold out.

I have not had Poseidon either but would like to get it soon.

The others I have found to be extremely healthy and vigorous. Lost Alchemist to rrd and no longer grow climbing roses.
Brothers Grimm grows to 3-4 feet high and 3-4 feet wide here. Flowers all over bush like Cream Veranda with continuous bloom (rrrr).
Lions, Caramella, Golden and Elegant fairy tale all grow to 5-6 feet high and wide with time. Upwards growth habit and repeat bloom (rrr).
Cinderella had more fountain like growth with repeat bloom (rrr). I no longer have it as she would mildew here.

I had planted Lions rose in the front of one rose bed when I first got it. By July it was huge and sorely out of place. I got use too this with Kordes roses. They have renamed most of their roses now and I can now guess pretty well how they will grow. The fairy tales are large bushes.

Apricot Vigarosa however remains poorly named. It does not fit the vigorosa style which is large ground cover. It's a floribunda like Cream Veranda with continuous bloom.

Hope this was helpful. Good luck with your beauties.

Patty, do you have photographs of Cream Veranda that you would post?

Patty has posted some photos of Cream Veranda in the database:

Rose (Rosa 'Garden of Roses')

Yes, most helpful Patty, thank you! Especially good to hear feedback from zone 5 and fairly close to my area too. I have been eyeing Apricot Vigorosa, and thinking it may be more of a ground cover has kept me from deciding on it, but hearing that it behaves more like a floribunda, I'm back to wanting it. I won't do ground cover types any more, I end up a bloody mess trying to weed around them.

Thank you, Zuzu.

I think you'd like Apricot Vigorosa it is a lovely very healthy bush and the one from Palatine will be the floribunda.
Eons ago I thought I had the correct spot for Escimo rose. Seems it was going to be the size of White Out. Wrong, she does grow about 3 1/2 foot tall but 12 foot across totally devouring poor Apricot Vigorosa.

Seems as thou most Kordes roses grow as large here as they do further south. May be wrong thou as I've not heard of sizes from people in warmer zones. I now ask when I order say from Chamblee's or Roses Unlimited if they have seen how they grow.

Thank you, Zuzu for posting the link

It's interesting to hear about your experience with Apricot Vigorosa, Patty, because mine are duds (I have two). I thought they would be 1-2 feet tall, but they don't even rise as much as 6 inches above the surface. They send canes out in all directions, but only at ground level.

This might be a case of grafted vs. own-root growth. Yours from Palatine is grafted. Mine from Northland Rosarium are own-root. I've seen this so many times before. Northland Rosarium used to sell an own-root Pomponella and said it would grow to 2 feet tall, and Rogue Valley sells it now and says it's 2-3 feet tall, but my grafted Pomponella from Palatine is easily 6-7 feet tall.